JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Traymark]

Are you truly that ignorant?

The APA and APFA were bound to go to binding arbitration if they didn't reach an agreement on a JCBA.

The APFA had to go to binding arbitration on several items and they lost.

The. CWA took 10 months and gave concessions.

 
 
 
700,
the only thing binding arbitration showed us  is, how fast the company and the union can get it done,
If they want to.
 
The problem here is , neither want to, but they'll never tell you that, and we wait and lose money, daily.
 
 
edit to add:
 
We also have the perspective of history,
the 2003 re-write of our contract took all of 56 calendar days, that's it, that's all, when both sides want to get it done, it gets done, very quickly.
Neither side has any reason to get this done quickly.

 

[Traymark]

Can't wait for the awesome "update" to be posted.
 
Should be soon, they're probably done for the week, have to break up it early so they can get on a flight, there's always next week...

 

[700UW]

You do realize that binding arbitration takes the power away from the union and its members and you have no say in what happens?

They lost EVERY item to the company in binding arbitration.

 

[WeAAsles]

I don't fault your opinion that has been consistent with delay, nor do I fault Tim's for wanting our negotiation committee to engage in expedited talks. If the negotiators are listening to either of you two ego driven members then we are in big trouble.

BIG GREEN for that one.

 

[Traymark]

You do realize that binding arbitration takes the power away from the union and its members and you have no say in what happens?
They lost EVERY item to the company in binding arbitration.

 
 
What items , exactly , did the pilots lose in arbitration?
You want to know what they didn't lose?
Money, they've gotten their raises, in spades, we've gotten nothing, and it continues.

 

[700UW]

Learn to comprehend what you read.

Where did I type the pilots went to binding arbitration?

I didn't the FAs did.

It's all over the board what happened to them.

And go search how the pilots aren't happy with their expidited CBA, it's all out there.

Seek and yee shall find.

Why have the APA and the APFA gone back and asked the company for more?

 

[bob@las-AA]

Learn to comprehend what you read.
Where did I type the pilots went to binding arbitration?
I didn't the FAs did.
It's all over the board what happened to them.
And go search how the pilots aren't happy with their expidited CBA, it's all out there.
Seek and yee shall find.
Why have the APA and the APFA gone back and asked the company for more?

Why

Do

You

Use

Double space?

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez, you do amaze me. You actually think that the association was founded on the fundamental principals of freedom and Democracy? This pension thing is really my only sticking point. What you are a campaigning for "the right to choose" comes with a cost. Have you ever sat down to consider the true cost of what you want, against the long term effects to others, just to satisfy your misguided sense of entitlement? Let me remind you, I have no love for the association. The opinions, suggestions, comments or complaints expressed here, in this forum have as much chance of effecting change as Trump dropping out of the race for President.
I do feel the IAM will make some attempt to snare the members of the TWU to prop-up their pension business. Even the mere mention if it in the eventual TA will draw an "NO" vote from me. After reading all of the IAM publication on the subject, I can boil it down to this.
 
You want to join the IAMPF, you will have to relocate to a IAM city, like CLT. Your LAA 401K contributions would stop, and forwarded to the IAM 401K, but if your lucky you might be able to role over the to the IAM 401K. But sorry, if your LAA 401K is all from pretax earnings, then a hefty tax would be in effect and evaporate a good portion of that.
And now fro the nuts and bolts for your yearly pension benefit.
I will start with the numbers.
TWU dues at $40/month
IAM dues at $80/month
TWU 401K match %5.5
IAM 401k match %3.0
TWU/IAM wages $29.27
TWU wages less union dues and adding %5.5 401K match.= $63,750.10
IAM wages less union dues and adding %3.0 401K match.= $61,748.00
 
A difference of $2,002.10
 
The variance would equate to, after ten years, a monthly withdraw of $251.35/month after the age of 62 and would last to age 75. And it's the returns that make it go this far. Or $251.35/month for 13 years.
 
On the other hand, the IAM pension has a benefit of $6229.20/year for 5 years at $519.10/month, or $259.55/month for 10 years.
 
Yep the choice is your if ya get it.
I think you should be fighting for a better 401K match, %8 sounds good,

They won't give us an 8% match when all the other groups at the airline are making 5.5% outside of the Pilots.

We should face that more than likely reality.

 

[AANOTOK]

They won't give us an 8% match when all the other groups at the airline are making 5.5% outside of the Pilots.

We should face that more than likely reality.

Didn't the flight attendants have it staggered some what?

 

[AANOTOK]

And your update.... http://www.twulocal513.org/docs/Association%20Fleet%20Bulletin%206-24-16.pdf
 
And this... http://www.twulocal513.org/docs/Association%20Seniority%20Intergration%20Update%206%2D24%2D16.pdf

 

[AANOTOK]

I was one that believed under the MOU that Seniority had been decided. Has it not in Fleet, or is that mechanics only.
And to acquire outside people to help in deciding that the right way is done is down right troubling. It doesn't show me the Association wants to do what's right, it shows me the Association was a mistake and they will possibly let someone who it doesn't affect one iota decide what's best for their members...troubling indeed!!
 
A simple vote would have prevented this mess.

 

[Traymark]

They won't give us an 8% match when all the other groups at the airline are making 5.5% outside of the Pilots.

We should face that more than likely reality.

 
 

Didn't the flight attendants have it staggered some what?

 
 
 
Lets get it correct.
 
The Flight Attendants have a 9.9% CONTRIBUTION, not a match (That means it's Better) for those that are 50 and over for 5 years, then it goes back to 5.5%.
 
Our 401K language needs to be AT LEAST the Flight Attendants language.
 
I find it interesting that W has already conceded that "we won't get that, it's just crazy town".

 

[AANOTOK]

 
 
 
 
 
Lets get it correct.
 
The Flight Attendants have a 9.9% CONTRIBUTION, not a match (That means it's Better) for those that are 50 and over for 5 years, then it goes back to 5.5%.
 
Our 401K language needs to be AT LEAST the Flight Attendants language.
 
I find it interesting that W has already conceded that "we won't get that, it's just crazy town".

Thanks for getting it "correct"   🙄

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ah once again you leave out the facts that APA and the APFA had binding arbitration deadlines and the FAs lost every item they went to arbitration on and the CWA gave concessions.
Guess your not a Paul Harvey fan.

The CWA did not give concessions. They got boatloads of scope. They were non union with redcoats everywhere and no scope.Now they limited the red coats, got every station with 5 flights, grandfather rights, $30, many other things that we dont effing have, and i been paying dues for 17 years before 70% of them paid anything. Our iam/twu is rotten. Do your job and stop screwing around.

 

[700UW]

They gave concessions, there own members said so, including JohnJohn and a member of their NC.
 
CARS jobs are a huge concession.
 
Medical, another huge concession.
 
And not all FAs are getting a the temporary 9% match, only those over a certain age.