JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Worldport]

Maybe you and others should educate yourself on the process instead of throwing stones all the time.
Section 6, JCBA are totally different than concessionary bargaining and Section 1113 C.
 
But you would rather attack me and others instead of taking the time to educate yourself on the process.
 
But its easier for you to attack me instead of getting educated on the process.
 
You and others are comparing apples to oranges.
 
You have TWO FSC Negotiators that post on here, and you dont even let it sink in on what they tell you and how the company is acting, you would rather blame the unions than the company.
 
The Association gave the company a full opener, and the company gave the Association nothing, yet you all stated Parker said they were ready and yet they werent, and you and others believe the company and not the union.
 
Where was outrage when they hired an outside consultant that is know for union busting to lead the negotiations for the company?
 

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[AANOTOK]

I'm thinking that retro may not be the right term here.   Retro to my understanding is when the amendable date of your agreement has past and you are in negotiations.   As we are currently under contract [ LUS 2017 and LA 2018] ''retro'' may not apply..   But instead perhaps ''signing bonus''.....  All in all,  it would mean money in our pockets...   Also in regards to the 56 days in 2003 and the ''delay'' now..........The company acts much more quickly when they are TAKING as opposed to GIVING...   IMO  

Well looky there 700, someone can actually correct and/or explain something without being a horses ass. Take note!

 

[WeAAsles]

Did Passenger service and dispatchers get a bonus? If they didn't we won't

CB told you yesterday that we are not either of those groups. And if we follow your compunction we shouldn't even consider negotiating for anything above what is currently out there then.

 

[Worldport]

Well looky there 700, someone can actually correct and/or explain something without being a horses ass. Take note!

AANOTOK  by pulling up  a RGG for DFW  I see LUS has a lot more destinations (More flights on LUS metal) who's working them? Did LUS  fleet have to hire off the street?

 

[WeAAsles]

Well looky there 700, someone can actually correct and/or explain something without being a horses ass. Take note!

Ever consider that he bahaves a certain way as a response to how people interact with him? You once had some unkind (F You) for me when you didn't like something I said. Actually more than once as I can recall.

The emotion you receive is usually a direct response to the one you illicit.

 

[Worldport]

CB told you yesterday that we are not either of those groups. And if we follow your compunction we shouldn't even consider negotiating for anything above what is currently out there then.

I understand Weez it may annoy you but in the end you will see I'm right. CB may be a good guy and a excellent negotiator but he's not a God.

 

[WeAAsles]

I understand Weez it may annoy you but in the end you will see I'm right. CB may be a good guy and a excellent negotiator but he's not a God.

You may very well be right and he didn't argue with you and neither am I. But if you already have your expectations set for the finished product then you might as well not even discuss any improvements.

Sorry. I don't subscribe to that particular notion. Should our negotiators also accept something like those CARS positions too if we follow your narrative?

 

[Worldport]

You may very well be right and he didn't argue with you and neither am I. But if you already have your expectations set for the finished product then you might as well not even discuss any improvements.

Sorry. I don't subscribe to that particular notion. Should our negotiators also accept something like those CARS positions too if we follow your narrative?

No they would probably go with ready reserve instead of  CARS. What I keep forgetting to ask CB  is if the pension IAMPF will be forced . In my opinion all negotiators hard work would be in vain if  IAMPF is mandatory

 

[bob@las-AA]

In Jetnet they have posted 115 Full Time Fleet job openings in DFW. Something seems to be happening for that city? A poster on FB has claimed they're already over headcount by about 70 people per day and OT has all but dried up.
Anyone have a clue why DFW is requesting so many people?

Just thinking outside the box, maybe a package is in the future for these old relics.

 

[Worldport]

Just thinking outside the box, maybe a package is in the future for these old relics.

Bob I'm a 57 year old relic you're really not that far behind. You must think you're a puppy

 

[Traymark]

You cant compare concessionary bargaining nor Section 1113 C bargaining to JCBA or Section 6 negotiations, its apples and oranges.

 
Swear to God, when I brought up the slow pace of negotiations to a Company VP on a station visit and referenced 2003, they used exact same sentence, coincidence? 
 
I will continue to bring it up, for all of us that know how much we got played and for those that didn't know but are getting up to speed now.
 
The company was losing about $5million per day during the 2003 negotiations.
Today, they are making over $20 million per day, in Profits.
Let that sink in.
 
Many of us have endured great financial hardship so the company could "survive", not so the management team could build their families wealth to levels they never thought possible.
 
 
When the hard financial times came to pass, it would have been very enduring to the membership that has sacrificed the most for the company to fast pace these negotiations in the exact same manner they did in 2003.
 
It comes down to Integrity and respect for the sacrifices made,  not whether it's section 6 or concessionary bargaining.

Maybe you and others should educate yourself on the process instead of throwing stones all the time.
Section 6, JCBA are totally different than concessionary bargaining and Section 1113 C.
 
But you would rather attack me and others instead of taking the time to educate yourself on the process.
 
But its easier for you to attack me instead of getting educated on the process.
 
You and others are comparing apples to oranges.
 
You have TWO FSC Negotiators that post on here, and you dont even let it sink in on what they tell you and how the company is acting, you would rather blame the unions than the company.
 
The Association gave the company a full opener, and the company gave the Association nothing, yet you all stated Parker said they were ready and yet they werent, and you and others believe the company and not the union.
 
Where was outrage when they hired an outside consultant that is know for union busting to lead the negotiations for the company?
 

Ok 700, then show me the letter put out by Lombardo and whoever is running the IAM calling out the company on these negotiations.
Because if they aren't going to put any pressure on them, then they are also culpable to the delay, IMO.
 
Also, show me letter from either aforementioned union heads showing their outrage on the hiring of the outside consultant.
 
Should the membership be doing all the heavy lifting here, or should our union dues be paying for some representation?
 

Did Passenger service and dispatchers get a bonus? If they didn't we won't

 
 
Passenger Service and the Dispatchers haven't waited nearly as long as we have, and Still are!
 
And btw, to hear 700 call it, we have the best NC ever.
Well then show us.

 

[WeAAsles]

Exactly what I've been saying all along they know what they are going to give us. The Association must have pissed them off somehow and now we wait. Odd that a company wouldn't want a happy, enthusiastic work group going into a merger. We are going to get  there eventually why not sooner.

So here you are again automatically assigning blame to our guys instead of the company. What should they do, bring them Daffodils once a week? I hope to Hell they've been pissing them off and keep on pissing them off. I'm pissed off too. I'm tired of their BS games. 1 TA in 4 weeks?

I wanted to believe the Parker BS that they wanted to change the attitudes at AA. That they really needed to put an end to the toxicity. The way they've behaved in our negotiations tells me that it was absolute crap. "Meet the new boss, he's the same as the old boss"

They gave NO counter proposal to the one we gave them and they're nitpicking over every little crumb. Like I said I've had it with their BS now.

If they want to change MY mind it's simple. Rez said they're working on 7 Articles right now. That first Monday they step back in the room together let me hear BAM, 7 TA's.

And if our guys don't want to accept the Temp employee language then throw it in the trash and move forward. And keep your BS Emp Appreciation day garbage away from me too. I don't feel appreciated at all.

 

[WeAAsles]

No they would probably go with ready reserve instead of  CARS. What I keep forgetting to ask CB  is if the pension IAMPF will be forced . In my opinion all negotiators hard work would be in vain if  IAMPF is mandatory

Ready Reserve for AA Fleet is NOT happening, PERIOD!!!!!

 

[Tim Nelson]

You may very well be right and he didn't argue with you and neither am I. But if you already have your expectations set for the finished product then you might as well not even discuss any improvements.

Sorry. I don't subscribe to that particular notion. Should our negotiators also accept something like those CARS positions too if we follow your narrative?

The cars positions were not new. Actually, they are more defined and limited. The CWA both increased and enhanced scope. For some reason, you claim that the Passenger service group lost scope. Either you have intentionally tried to deceive folks or you had no clue that 75% of this group had NO scope AT ALL, and the CARS and supervisors were doing whatever they seemed fit to do. Scope was expanded to include non union people and I thought the CWA did a tremendous job expanding scope. I know you are an IAM Pollyanna but when you compare what the CWA did for Passenger service as they grafted in a group that ended up being 75% of the whole, against what the I'll Ask Management did with their first contract grafting in 40% of sCO, the difference should just blow you away between the good job that the CWA did and the S job that your adopted union did. In fact, your adopted union already signed a 2nd contract with passenger service and only has scope for 28 stations and any other station that jumps over 35 flights. The CWA is 5 stations. And, I bet those people displaced out of their small stations at United with only 5 flights would love to go back home and accept a few CARS tagging bags. Unfortunately, even big stations like yours, i.e., MIA, have had the United Airline baggage and passenger service employees extinct. Never mind the grandfather rights for CWA stations without 5 flights.

Applying this to fleet, I don't see why we wouldn't be able to get 5 flights a day under scope with grandfather rights to current stations under 5 flights.

 

[bob@las-AA]

No they would probably go with ready reserve instead of  CARS. What I keep forgetting to ask CB  is if the pension IAMPF will be forced . In my opinion all negotiators hard work would be in vain if  IAMPF is mandatory

Yep