JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[AANOTOK]

I got my working papers and first job at 16. I want my seniority adjusted to 1981 also. Or maybe back to when I was 12 in 1977? I was raking leaves and shoveling snow not to mention my Paper Route.

If I don't get adjusted I'm sending in my formal protest letter.

What union did you work for at that age, "Tiny Tots Association"   🙄

 

[bob@las-AA]

I got my working papers and first job at 16. I want my seniority adjusted to 1981 also. Or maybe back to when I was 12 in 1977? I was raking leaves and shoveling snow not to mention my Paper Route.

If I don't get adjusted I'm sending in my formal protest letter.

LOL

 

[WeAAsles]

What union did you work for at that age, "Tiny Tots Association"   🙄

Ok how about this one then? "If any member had been a part of any Union prior to being employed at the Airline, that members seniority will be adjusted back to reflect that"

Woo Hoo. My new seniority date is going to be 5/18/1981

Key Food. UFCWU.

 

[AANOTOK]

Ok how about this one then? "If any member had been a part of any Union prior to being employed at the Airline, that members seniority will be adjusted back to reflect that"

Woo Hoo. My new seniority date is going to be 5/18/1981

Key Food. UFCWU.

Who knows, that might be exactly what the Arbitrator suggests... B)

 

[bob@las-AA]

All in all I think Tim is overthinking this.
 
 
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[WeAAsles]

Who knows, that might be exactly what the Arbitrator suggests... B)

The store closed in 1990. I worked there for 4 1/2 years. Hope they stored the work records somewhere?

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/09/nyregion/neighborhood-report-elmhurst-where-food-shops-are-a-declining-species.html

 

[WeAAsles]

All in all I think Tim is overthinking this.
 
 
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http://youtu.be/NO04VXBIS0M

 

[bob@las-AA]

http://youtu.be/NO04VXBIS0M

You're good! How do you find this stuff.

 

[WeAAsles]

You're good! How do you find this stuff.

I'm admittedly warped in the head.

 

[Worldport]

As some of you know DFW is once again on a hiring spree. Just the other day a bud of mine attended the union meeting and the biggest bone of contention was that LUS put in a request to increase day flights. I can't help think that those who are hired in the future will go to the US side. Is this happening in any other city?

Are they taking away LAA flights and putting them on LUS metal? I think they are doing the reverse in PHX

 

[bob@las-AA]

Are they taking away LAA flights and putting them on LUS metal? I think they are doing the reverse in PHX

Our DFW-LAS is US tin.
Can't say how many others.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You still haven't given a VALID reason for your concern.  I don't care what went on at UA.
The LAA way is just that simple. Explain to me, just what would you say to invoke a question on the opinion of the consultant?

If you don't care what went on at UA, in a 100% similar situation then this conversation is exhausted as it makes no sense for me and you to discuss this topic.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'm not saying this guy is completely accurate, much is inaccurate, but here is a Letter writing campaign below:

Gentlemen,

Urgent action is required from all TWU local 591 members!

Recently the TWU/IAM association agreed to hire former NMB arbitrator Joshua M. Javits to create a final integrated seniority list. Mr. Javits sent a letter to the TWU/IAM association asking for the members input on how & why the seniority integration will affect them and any suggestions they may have (see attached files).
I was informed that the IAM membership has already started their email/letter writing campaign on their position to the arbitrator Joshua Javits who was appointed by the TWU/IAM Association. Mr. Javits has given a window for written comments or information regarding the integration of seniority lists by the TWU/IAM Association members for consideration. I urge everyone to send comments so that they are received no later than July 31st, 2016 to;

Attn: Neutral Joshua M. Javits
c/o Guerrieri, Clayman, Bartos & Parcelli, P.C
1900 M Street, N.W, Suite 700
Washington, DC 20036
Or
E-Mail him @ JavitsSeniority@geclaw.com

There are two key seniority points to mention,
1) The IAM company seniority date does not change due to layoff, whereas our AA company date gets adjusted when you are recalled from layoff. Tie breakers for occupational seniority utilizes company seniority. That’s why it’s important to maintain our date of hire (initial company date of hire) for tie breakers when blending the lists. We the TWU members must make it clear to the arbitrator that in order to be on a somewhat level playing field we MUST to the extent that two or more employees have the same date of entry into the classification, placement on the integrated seniority list as to those employees shall be determined by the date of hire for tie breaker application.
2) The IAM has a separate crew chief seniority list (Lead time). Your C/C Seniority at the IAM begins when you first enter the classification (day one), on the other hand with the TWU, when you enter the C/C classification you maintain your occupational seniority date regardless when you enter the C/C Classification. Same goes for TCC & Q/A department! Eliminating separate C/C and Q/C seniority and utilizing what we currently have in our contract is what we want to maintain. Also, in addition to the TWU Crew Chief classification vs the IAM lead time. Example; IAM contract, work 6 months as a mechanic, transfers to PHL and becomes a crew chief for, let's say for 6 months then transfers out to a mechanic position, guess what! He continues to accrue crew chief seniority (lead time) although he doesn't hold the position any longer.
About 30% of the people on the IAM seniority list accrue lead time and only 9% are actually working leads.

I encourage everyone to start emailing or write letters to the
arbitrator and make it very clear that we are by far the larger Airline (4 to 1)
and we want to maintain what we currently have and that our contract language is fair & equitable to all on a level playing field. PLEASE FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO ALL TWU MEMBERS

Thanks
JY
John Young
LGA Station Chairman

 

[bob@las-AA]

This is the sound of Tim going to ignore jail.

[Ignore] ......{click sound}

 

[WeAAsles]

TWU Local 591. Isn't that the same Local who's President filed a protest with the NMB against the formation of the TWU/IAM Association and lost. Possibly (likely) stalling the process for certification for more months than necessary and costing us time in beginning the negotiations with the Company?

And the letter is again mostly specific to an issue that regards maintenance more so than Fleet members as Charlie Brown had stated last week.

Good luck to our members in the Maintenance class and craft.