JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

nah, it isnt a dumb idea to negotiate with someone trained and experienced. One thing Trump says that I really like is that he realizes politicians are awful negotiators. I agree with him.
Not sure why you always make things personal as Im not suggesting Im a professional negotiator. The difference is that I realize we have to have professionals, and you would rather have stud negotiators as 700.
700 still takes credit for getting an awful bankrupt contract that eliminated almost everything, including scorching his entire line utility.
regards,

700UW. Don't take the bait.

 

[ograc]

Big business and they're pocket Politicians are never going to allow us to strike cargo. We have to learn to face that absolute reality and adapt. Section 6 again is a farce for the airline worker today.

There is no real legal remedy for us to strike a deal that will be allowed.

Again when was the last major airline strike? Even through all the concessions we kept chugging along.

 
You are probably right. however, it is the threat of a strike that creates leverage. Bad press and customer re bookings. Labor unrest in the headlines is never good news for any carrier. Equates to potential lost revenue. Labor unrest with employees still on the property has it's negative impacts on the operational integrity and subsequent profits as well. A JCBA is certainly in the interests of both parties. This is why JCBA talks are taking place. But let's not lose sight of the fact, the company is under no legal obligation to come to an agreement, under such terms. Especially, if they do not feel that they have gained necessary and promised "synergies" by combining work groups. Their Plan B may be to walk away from JCBA talks and kick the can down the road to Section 6 negotiations. Amendable dates of 2018 for both existing agreements. In which case it could be some time. Would you put it past them? Know Thy Enemy! IMO... members need to be aware of all the options available to both parties.  
 

 

[700UW]

nah, it isnt a dumb idea to negotiate with someone trained and experienced. One thing Trump says that I really like is that he realizes politicians are awful negotiators. I agree with him.
Not sure why you always make things personal as Im not suggesting Im a professional negotiator. The difference is that I realize we have to have professionals, and you would rather have stud negotiators as 700.
700 still takes credit for getting an awful bankrupt contract that eliminated almost everything, including scorching his entire line utility.
regards,

Enough with the lies.

M&R had our CBA abrogated as we would never agree to layoff 46% of the workforce.

Do you have comprehension issues?

 

[WeAAsles]

You are probably right. however, it is the threat of a strike that creates leverage. Bad press and customer re bookings. Labor unrest in the headlines is never good news for any carrier. Equates to potential lost revenue. Labor unrest with employees still on the property has it's negative impacts on the operational integrity and subsequent profits as well. A JCBA is certainly in the interests of both parties. This is why JCBA talks are taking place. But let's not lose sight of the fact, the company is under no legal obligation to come to an agreement, under such terms. Especially, if they do not feel that they have gained necessary and promised "synergies" by combining work groups. Their Plan B may be to walk away from JCBA talks and kick the can down the road to Section 6 negotiations. Amendable dates of 2018 for both existing agreements. In which case it could be some time. Would you put it past them? Know Thy Enemy! IMO... members need to be aware of all the options available to both parties.

Let's be clear and you can quote me on this. "They're not going to walk away"

Section 6 would only have teeth if the market really thought we would ever be allowed to strike. Yes labor unrest does cause a "small" measure of difficulty but the best avenue for negotiators and members is flexibility. If your company is doing financially lousy you are not going to make any meaningful gains. Your better off gaining small bites and waiting for the storm to hopefully pass. Yes I'm saying you have to tighten your own belt. Life stinks that way sometimes. You ask for contract extensions with small increases.

When the company is making record profits is where maybe you can gain some public support that they aren't sharing that wealth. When they're doing lousy and you put on the pressure you just paint yourself into that greedy Union people mindset from the public. And you and I know that's not BS.

One more time. This will absolutely NOT drag out all the way to September of 2018 which is 2 years and 4 months from now, or 28 more months.

Let's get out of this doom and gloom mindset. PLEASE.

 

[WeAAsles]

Enough with the lies.
M&R had our CBA abrogated as we would never agree to layoff 46% of the workforce.
Do you have comprehension issues?

YOU TOOK THE BAIT!!!!!!

 

[700UW]

Didn't see your post.

And just shows the lack of integrity and credibility he has.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Didn't see your post.
And just shows the lack of integrity and credibility he has.

you are not an airline employee. Shilling for the iam is what you do other than walking away from everything.

You couldnt take the heat and work under these contracts even though you pump your chest as the best and smartest negotiator ever. ah ha ha ah ha ha ha.

Sorry

 

[WeAAsles]

you are not an airline employee. Shilling for the iam is what you do other than walking away from everything.
You couldnt take the heat and work under these contracts even though you pump your chest as the best and smartest negotiator ever. ah ha ha ah ha ha ha.
Sorry

700UW Don't take little Timmies bait this time. He's just a nasty, hate filled, short little man.

 

[Kev3188]

Big business and they're pocket Politicians are never going to allow us to strike cargo. We have to learn to face that absolute reality and adapt. Section 6 again is a farce for the airline worker today.

There is no real legal remedy for us to strike a deal that will be allowed.

Again when was the last major airline strike? Even through all the concessions we kept chugging along.

Maybe labor should stop waiting for other people to tell them what's "allowed."

 

[Kev3188]

I think they should hire you. I mean look at your track record. You're a real winner. You could make a mean professional negotiator. New laundry baskets for everyone.

Let me be very clear. Professional negotiators. The stupidest idea you've brought up yet since I ever heard of you. Rock solid dumb idea. Completely and totally. Unequivocally. Period. You took the cake.

Am I clear enough for you?

Respectfully disagree. IMO, it would be one of the best moves any group could make.

To be clear, you'd still have a contract surveys, actuaries, and an elected NC. But at the table, having a pro (or team of them) would go a long way toward getting on equal footing.

And if the rank and file packed the room to watch? That'd just be the icing on the cake...

 

[WeAAsles]

Maybe labor should stop waiting for other people to tell them what's "allowed."

Absolutely. But what's the strategy to get them "all" to realize that and come together in support of each other as one huge collective united voice? How do you break people from the mindset of only being in it for themselves?

 

[WeAAsles]

Respectfully disagree. IMO, it would be one of the best moves any group could make.
To be clear, you'd still have a contract surveys, actuaries, and an elected NC. But at the table, having a pro (or team of them) would go a long way toward getting on equal footing.
And if the rank and file packed the room to watch? That'd just be the icing on the cake...

Respectfully disagree back:

That would just make one gigantic clusterpuck of people throwing their personal opinions all over the room and be very counterproductive IMO.

Besides the psychological games that go on in the room, there really is no secret strategy for successful negotiations. It's just who might be better at the chess game.

 

[700UW]

Most elections are popularity contest, no way in Hades would I ever want an election for negotiating committee.

Most everyone at the table are elected by the members in the first place.

 

[Kev3188]

That's what I meant. Thanks for clarifying.

The point being that having pros at the table wouldn't mean the end of the idea of CBAs being representative of what the membership wants.

 

[Kev3188]

Respectfully disagree back:

That would just make one gigantic clusterpuck of people throwing their personal opinions all over the room and be very counterproductive IMO.

Besides the psychological games that go on in the room, there really is no secret strategy for successful negotiations. It's just who might be better at the chess game.

Who said anything about people shouting out their thoughts?

Having observers on hand not only fosters member engagement, it sends a great message to the company's negotiators...