JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Worldport]

I set up my life to make sure that I can afford things I like. Others have their own lives that they chose bro.

And the tickets were $100 each. Didn't blow for the $750 Meet and Greet package. But I could have.

Are you trying to say that I should feel guilty for other people's lives?

No Just Bob's

 

[Jester]

Remember when I was bringing up the topic of COLA's for certain locations. Compare North Carolina to New York or California to rent a 2 Bedroom Apartment.

http://www.citylab.com/housing/2016/05/the-hourly-wage-needed-to-rent-a-2-bedroom-apartment-in-2016-mapped/484091/

Since we are putting together a Wish List, I have mentioned years ago about the modification to the Sick/Late/Attendance Policy on the US side.  Unfortunately, the policy was really not negotiated as the Company put out the terms on the America West side RETROACTIVELY, then the AW/US JCBA gave Management the permission to continue or modify as desired!  Completely unacceptable to give Management that amount of continued discretion!  I have spoken to a few AA guys in PHX and their sick policy strikes me as being rather vague, as well.  People outside of the firm think I am crazy when I say that people cannot call in sick, even though they may have hundreds of sick hours without the threat of being fired!
 
Obviously, if someone has hundreds of banked sick hours, that person doesn't call in sick very often. However, the US policy has a system by which a new hire has 0 points and 0 Level, as may a 20-year employee during their entire career, but have a bad year of health issues and now they are treated the same and subject to termination?  These PHX asshats might as well be lip-syncing "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" while issuing the termination papers.
 
I would like to see some system which recognizes prior years of excellent attendance, and permits people who are sick to use the time those people have rightfully earned.  If I recall correctly, Southwest has a "negative" point system where new hires have 0 points, but a long-term employee may have -10 points assuming they have an excellent attendance history.  I think this is something the new JCBA needs to address this issue.

 

[WeAAsles]

Since we are putting together a Wish List, I have mentioned years ago about the modification to the Sick/Late/Attendance Policy on the US side.  Unfortunately, the policy was really not negotiated as the Company put out the terms on the America West side RETROACTIVELY, then the AW/US JCBA gave Management the permission to continue or modify as desired!  Completely unacceptable to give Management that amount of continued discretion!  I have spoken to a few AA guys in PHX and their sick policy strikes me as being rather vague, as well.  People outside of the firm think I am crazy when I say that people cannot call in sick, even though they may have hundreds of sick hours without the threat of being fired!
 
Obviously, if someone has hundreds of banked sick hours, that person doesn't call in sick very often. However, the US policy has a system by which a new hire has 0 points and 0 Level, as may a 20-year employee during their entire career, but have a bad year of health issues and now they are treated the same and subject to termination?  These PHX asshats might as well be lip-syncing "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" while issuing the termination papers.
 
I would like to see some system which recognizes prior years of excellent attendance, and permits people who are sick to use the time those people have rightfully earned.  If I recall correctly, Southwest has a "negative" point system where new hires have 0 points, but a long-term employee may have -10 points assuming they have an excellent attendance history.  I think this is something the new JCBA needs to address this issue.

You're correct about the SWA language. I like it personally. You self manage and you can grow extra wiggle room from deductions for good attendance.

 

[Worldport]

Since we are putting together a Wish List, I have mentioned years ago about the modification to the Sick/Late/Attendance Policy on the US side.  Unfortunately, the policy was really not negotiated as the Company put out the terms on the America West side RETROACTIVELY, then the AW/US JCBA gave Management the permission to continue or modify as desired!  Completely unacceptable to give Management that amount of continued discretion!  I have spoken to a few AA guys in PHX and their sick policy strikes me as being rather vague, as well.  People outside of the firm think I am crazy when I say that people cannot call in sick, even though they may have hundreds of sick hours without the threat of being fired!
 
Obviously, if someone has hundreds of banked sick hours, that person doesn't call in sick very often. However, the US policy has a system by which a new hire has 0 points and 0 Level, as may a 20-year employee during their entire career, but have a bad year of health issues and now they are treated the same and subject to termination?  These PHX asshats might as well be lip-syncing "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" while issuing the termination papers.
 
I would like to see some system which recognizes prior years of excellent attendance, and permits people who are sick to use the time those people have rightfully earned.  If I recall correctly, Southwest has a "negative" point system where new hires have 0 points, but a long-term employee may have -10 points assuming they have an excellent attendance history.  I think this is something the new JCBA needs to address this issue.

Did you ever actually hear of someone with history of good attendance get fired? I'm here 38+ years and have not unless someone picked up a drug problem or something like that. I'm not condoning the sick policy in any way I too have gone 12 years without calling sick and then another 7 and so on and have maxed out the bank so if you look at it I'm actually losing my sick benefits for being conscientious 

 

[Worldport]

Did you ever actually hear of someone with history of good attendance get fired? I'm here 38+ years and have not unless someone picked up a drug problem or something like that. I'm not condoning the sick policy in any way I too have gone 12 years without calling sick and then another 7 and so on and have maxed out the bank so if you look at it I'm actually losing my sick benefits for being conscientious 

Oh they used to give first grade upgrades to those with perfect attendance

 

[WeAAsles]

Did you ever actually hear of someone with history of good attendance get fired? I'm here 38+ years and have not unless someone picked up a drug problem or something like that. I'm not condoning the sick policy in any way I too have gone 12 years without calling sick and then another 7 and so on and have maxed out the bank so if you look at it I'm actually losing my sick benefits for being conscientious

If you have a major medical issue you can also apply for Family Leave which will keep you out of any attendance troubles if you follow the allowances you were granted.

 

[Worldport]

You're correct about the SWA language. I like it personally. You self manage and you can grow extra wiggle room from deductions for good attendance.

Funny story, during the Siegel years we were on death's door and people were calling in sick etc . They were giving cash prizes and big screen TVs  as incentives ( real tacky)  . So they said for the holidays if you have perfect attendance from say Nov 15 to Jan 15 you would be eligible for a prize. They drew the prize and someone with six months time got the cash. people who haven't called in sick in years got squat needless to say the next day sick calls

 

[Worldport]

If you have a major medical issue you can also apply for Family Leave which will keep you out of any attendance troubles if you follow the allowances you were granted.

Yeah a lot of people walking around with major medical issues, they have a tendency to flare up on holidays don't they

 

[WeAAsles]

Funny story, during the Siegel years we were on death's door and people were calling in sick etc . They were giving cash prizes and big screen TVs  as incentives ( real tacky)  . So they said for the holidays if you have perfect attendance from say Nov 15 to Jan 15 you would be eligible for a prize. They drew the prize and someone with six months time got the cash. people who haven't called in sick in years got squat needless to say the next day sick calls

So they basically made a bad situation for the company even worse then. Somewhat shooting your own nose to spite your face.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yeah a lot of people walking around with major medical issues, they have a tendency to flare up on holidays don't they

They NEVER did when we were getting Double time and a half for those Hollidays. Worse day of the year by far though, Super Bowl Sunday.

 

[Worldport]

That
 

So they basically made a bad situation for the company even worse then. Somewhat shooting your own nose to spite your face.

 That management team was in way over their heads it featured 700's boy Jerry Glass.

 

[Jester]

Did you ever actually hear of someone with history of good attendance get fired? I'm here 38+ years and have not unless someone picked up a drug problem or something like that. I'm not condoning the sick policy in any way I too have gone 12 years without calling sick and then another 7 and so on and have maxed out the bank so if you look at it I'm actually losing my sick benefits for being conscientious 

In PHX?  Absolutely... US policy is a series of Levels 0-3.  Each Level has a point count system.  Level 0 runs from 0-4.75 points, at 5 points, then that becomes a Level 1. Levels 1, 2 and 3 allow no more than 1.75 points during the following 12 months, otherwise there will be issued another Level.  One needs not to exceed the points necessary to get into another Level in order for the Levels to drop back down to Level 0, otherwise a new Level is issued and the 12 month clock starts all over again.  Once someone is on a Level, it becomes a treadmill, as just 2 sick calls in a year bumps the person to the next level and the clock resets back to 12 months.
 
Each sick call equals 1 point, late 0-6 minutes equals 1/4 point, late 6 minutes - 30 (?) minutes equals 1/2 point, and a No Call/No Show equals 2 LEVELS (not points).  Have a bad year of car problems, overlooked shift, illness and the employee will be walked off the property, doesn't take much even for a 20-year employee with a good work history.

 

[ChockJockey]

In PHX?  Absolutely... US policy is a series of Levels 0-3.  Each Level has a point count system.  Level 0 runs from 0-4.75 points, at 5 points, then that becomes a Level 1. Levels 1, 2 and 3 allow no more than 1.75 points during the following 12 months, otherwise there will be issued another Level.  One needs not to exceed the points necessary to get into another Level in order for the Levels to drop back down to Level 0, otherwise a new Level is issued and the 12 month clock starts all over again.  Once someone is on a Level, it becomes a treadmill, as just 2 sick calls in a year bumps the person to the next level and the clock resets back to 12 months.
 
Each sick call equals 1 point, late 0-6 minutes equals 1/4 point, late 6 minutes - 30 (?) minutes equals 1/2 point, and a No Call/No Show equals 2 LEVELS (not points).  Have a bad year of car problems, overlooked shift, illness and the employee will be walked off the property, doesn't take much even for a 20-year employee with a good work history.

 
There were initially only two points between Level 1 and Level 2 but they later made it three.  As a clarification, it's not each sick call that earns one a point, it's sick occurrence, which could involve one calling in sick for multiple consecutive shifts...

 

[Worldport]

In PHX?  Absolutely... US policy is a series of Levels 0-3.  Each Level has a point count system.  Level 0 runs from 0-4.75 points, at 5 points, then that becomes a Level 1. Levels 1, 2 and 3 allow no more than 1.75 points during the following 12 months, otherwise there will be issued another Level.  One needs not to exceed the points necessary to get into another Level in order for the Levels to drop back down to Level 0, otherwise a new Level is issued and the 12 month clock starts all over again.  Once someone is on a Level, it becomes a treadmill, as just 2 sick calls in a year bumps the person to the next level and the clock resets back to 12 months.
 
Each sick call equals 1 point, late 0-6 minutes equals 1/4 point, late 6 minutes - 30 (?) minutes equals 1/2 point, and a No Call/No Show equals 2 LEVELS (not points).  Have a bad year of car problems, overlooked shift, illness and the employee will be walked off the property, doesn't take much even for a 20-year employee with a good work history.

 Sorry why would anyone do a no show? I have been with US for 38 + and can count on my right hand how many times I've been late and those were weather related and before we punched a clock. If I came down with something chronic I would get family leave. No disrespect Jester but PHX still has that AW mentality 

 

[ograc]

So they basically made a bad situation for the company even worse then. Somewhat shooting your own nose to spite your face.

 
LUS has made it policy to not address the ones who abuse sick time / attendance. Their solution is to adopt policies that throw a net over everyone. Unfortunately, many undeserving employees get caught in that net. The attendance policy is an inherent failure. The employee who has not abused their sick time gets no more consideration than those who do. I agree with Jester. This issue needs to be put on the table.