JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet
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I think we would have to start with what the CWA/IBT has and raise the bar from there. Compensation wise, they have more than us along all articles, and they were non contract just 9 months ago. So we should get more since we came to the table with a lot more than them. And the industry has changed more favorably since the CWA/IBT signed, although the revenue trend has already started to erode backwards.
So we know, by virtue of the company signing that agreement, that management is willing to enhance contracts and get things done. But it isn't a pushover and I think our hardline stance on temp agents has caused the company to drop the hammer on our poor negotiator souls. Our negotiators need to suck it up and get their S together and focus on the core things and stop D*ing around sweating the small stuff. Management snapped at them once and stalled talks, so hopefully our negotiators learned from the error of their ways that they can't get everything. Going 17 out of 17 was good but we all knew it wouldn't last.
In a disappointment, the CWA/IBT bit on the extra dues by bringing in new scab [union slang] members from another classification in the mix that was a win win for management and the CWA/IBT but not a win for the hard working members.
For the IAM/TWU to get a TA, that can be voted upon, it will have to change its paradigm and be willing to be progressive. I don't think that means losing catering. Contract (vendor) catering has been a disaster for the company, so our catering has been dependable and professional so I don't see any reason why we would lose it.
I myself am not in favor of losing anything that survived bankruptcy, i.e., catering, cargo. Why should we?
That said, walking away from the table tossing away full time protection and part time caps, like they did at United would be a disaster. Southwest airlines rampers with TWU have the best contract right now as they enhanced their scope of stations by bringing in more stations [although they had to cut many of the AirTran stations that were never protected]. Didn't like that they spiked the cargo quota but compromised to keep cargo work.
There is no reason to lose things that survived bankruptcy. Even the CWA/IBT got no layoff language at DOS. We should have that, better scope (in some capacity) and have part time cap language. Split the difference on some other items in both of the contracts, don't sweat the small stuff, and bring it to a vote. And if we have all other items TA'd but are stuck on the IAMPF, then find a quick solution.
We are up against time here. People ask why the stock is down but it is because of the revenue guidance. Europe is a disaster now with future bookings, so we know we are losing millions there now. Oil is ready to cross $50, up from $27 a few months ago. So the metrics are quickly changing. The window may be closing. If the window closes and we get hosed, then I'm going to stick these dopey updates up the elected officials arses and point to them sweating over the small items. To date, we have been D*ing around with the small things and haven't even bothered with the core items that we should have dug in over a year ago. Morons.
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This is my ride.
And I will continue to get mine.
Weez he's got you beat big time. I could see you siding with Tim now for the casholabob@las-AA said:
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Tim Nelson said:
I quoted you last post but deleted its content to save space in this page. You seem very passionate to get things done expeditiously, but as you have said your only working 1-2 days a week, whats up with that.
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I'm financially very very well off. I try to average about 1600 hours a year so my IAM Pension doesn't get cut, but I guess I'll miss it this year. Oh well.
I'm looking at these negotiations objectively. I'm sure there is some bias in my comments but with my seniority and financial situation, I myself don't need a quickie contract. However, I do think a expeditious contract is wise, given the context and risk.
Anyone who wants to nickel and dime and sound like a strong union guy by going to the mat for all items is fooling themselves and can say hello to the Easter Bunny for me. It isn't happening guys. It's not happening. These are NON section 6 talks and that is incredibly significant. What is slightly less well known is that these talks are hedged on non-union delta.
We can't pick and choose. This is an either/or negotiations, not a both/and. Those that want to sweat over the small things will find themselves in section 6 in 3 years, and risk everything. I'm against that strategy 100%.
I'm not convinced of Delta management and that leaves me very uncomfortable about bunkering down longterm. Delta started this wage race and it can end it.
I think it is wise to unpack the core items and bring it to a vote when a 30% pay raise is on the line. Yes, that is significant. If we were talking about a 2%, 50 cent pay raise then maybe another strategy would work. Plus, the TWU contract has several more stations it can lose as its 'drop dead' Cinderella date is approaching. We will lose more leverage if we allow that timeline to approach.
Nab the money, gain some stations, keep full time protections; part time caps; enhance days off to match CWA/IBT, along with the other 17 Ta's and call it a day.
Weez see how easy it is You know I voted for Tim in an election a couple of years ago despite his adversaries driving me over to the bar and telling me not to vote for him. You had to pick like 8 out of 12 voters so Tim was the only familiar nameTim Nelson said:
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I put in a new fuel pump last week. My baby is back to rocking like there's no tomorrow.bob@las-AA said:
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