JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

 
LUS has made it policy to not address the ones who abuse sick time / attendance. Their solution is to adopt policies that throw a net over everyone. Unfortunately, many undeserving employees get caught in that net. The attendance policy is an inherent failure. The employee who has not abused their sick time gets no more consideration than those who do. I agree with Jester. This issue needs to be put on the table. 
 

The bad apples always cause issues for the good ones. I'm sure our guys have it on the agenda along with everything else.

 

[ograc]

The bad apples always cause issues for the good ones. I'm sure our guys have it on the agenda along with everything else.

 
Not sure the NC wants the attendance policy written into the contract. Maybe we could get a comment from CB or P. Rez. As a union representative for most of my career; I can attest that 90% of your time and effort are spent on about 5% of the membership. The bad apples so to speak. The attendance policy puts all the apples in one basket. Insulting. Another issue that needs attention.
 

 

[pjirish317]

Jester,
 
The attendance policy points go as follows,
 
At 4 points the employee gets a "Coaching Discussion"
At 5 points the employee go's to Level 1 of the attendance program
At 8 points the employee go's to a Level 2 of the attendance program
At 10 points the employee go's to a Level 3 of the attendance program
After level 3 you get 2 points before you are potentially terminated.
 
Of course this is all subjective to your local management. On whether or not they are on the ball. Some do slip through the cracks. And Chock Jockey is right, 1 point could mean call outs for multiple shifts/days as long as they are consecutive.

 

[WeAAsles]

Not sure the NC wants the attendance policy written into the contract. Maybe we could get a comment from CB or P. Rez. As a union representative for most of my career; I can attest that 90% of your time and effort are spent on about 5% of the membership. The bad apples so to speak. The attendance policy puts all the apples in one basket. Insulting. Another issue that needs attention.

Why would anyone not want some type of language on using sick calls written into the contract? I'd rather manage myself then being left up to the whim of management that might make things up as they go. Or worse, make severe changes that don't suit our needs.

 

[Worldport]

Why would anyone not want some type of language on using sick calls written into the contract? I'd rather manage myself then being left up to the whim of management that might make things up as they go. Or worse, make severe changes that don't suit our needs.

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[Worldport]

Why would anyone not want some type of language on using sick calls written into the contract? I'd rather manage myself then being left up to the whim of management that might make things up as they go. Or worse, make severe changes that don't suit our needs.

Whats a fair policy if you get 10 days a year can you call in sick 10 times? I know we are a aging workforce and if you work say 1100- 1900 weekends it is impossible to see a doctor especially if you have to go for a routine test. I have had 3 or 4 colonoscopies and always did it on my vacation and that sux

 

[Jester]

 Sorry why would anyone do a no show? I have been with US for 38 + and can count on my right hand how many times I've been late and those were weather related and before we punched a clock. If I came down with something chronic I would get family leave. No disrespect Jester but PHX still has that AW mentality 

I will agree there is too much of the "AW mentality" but after speaking with former AW from other stations, it appears to be more of "PHX mentality".  In terms of No Call/No Show, usually it relates back to a doubling partner who forgets to pick-up a shift while attempting to trade it to another person while the eventual victim is out of town... seen that a few times.  Or someone who says they will pick-up the shift and changes their mind.  I knew one guy who read Workbrain wrong as the first day column on the Workbrain calendar was different than the first day column on standard calendar and made a mental mistake after picking-up someone's shift-- thankfully, he wasn't on a Level 2 or higher, else he would have been gone.

 

[Worldport]

I will agree there is too much of the "AW mentality" but after speaking with former AW from other stations, it appears to be more of "PHX mentality".  In terms of No Call/No Show, usually it relates back to a doubling partner who forgets to pick-up a shift while attempting to trade it to another person while the eventual victim is out of town... seen that a few times.  Or someone who says they will pick-up the shift and changes their mind.  I knew one guy who read Workbrain wrong as the first day column on the Workbrain calendar was different than the first day column on standard calendar and made a mental mistake after picking-up someone's shift-- thankfully, he wasn't on a Level 2 or higher, else he would have been gone.

I have OCD with things like that, check my Workbrain 20 times

 

[Worldport]

Why would anyone not want some type of language on using sick calls written into the contract? I'd rather manage myself then being left up to the whim of management that might make things up as they go. Or worse, make severe changes that don't suit our needs.

Weaasles you were a steward I'm sure  you had a few people who thought it was okay to call in sick every Sunday the Dolphins were home. They REALLY believe its okay

 

[Jester]

Why would anyone not want some type of language on using sick calls written into the contract? I'd rather manage myself then being left up to the whim of management that might make things up as they go. Or worse, make severe changes that don't suit our needs.

I am agreeing with you very much on this issue in overlooking contractual language on sick calls, as I don't trust these Management biscuits.  The Membership was promised by the union and this issue would be addressed before the last JCBA, and nothing happened.  Sadly, as the policy was retroactively applied, people with sick/late calls for the year prior suddenly found themselves on a Level 3 without prior warnings!  How did the union allow this to happen, and better yet, let Management keep the same "flexibility" in the new contract!
 
Also let me be brutally honest on this matter as our local PHX union representatives consider it a "victory" as someone gets unfairly terminated over sick calls, but "saves" their job by having them issued "just" a Level 3 instead!  I have had seen people get terminated because sick calls were placed onto the wrong person with a like name(s), parent died, severe floods, or "unauthorized" early outs from other stations!  But hey, the union got their jobs back, but now just need near perfect attendance for the next 12 months to keep it!

 

[ograc]

I am agreeing with you very much on this issue in overlooking contractual language on sick calls, as I don't trust these Management biscuits.  The Membership was promised by the union and this issue would be addressed before the last JCBA, and nothing happened.  Sadly, as the policy was retroactively applied, people with sick/late calls for the year prior suddenly found themselves on a Level 3 without prior warnings!  How did the union allow this to happen, and better yet, let Management keep the same "flexibility" in the new contract!
 
Also let me be brutally honest on this matter as our local PHX union representatives consider it a "victory" as someone gets unfairly terminated over sick calls, but "saves" their job by having them issued "just" a Level 3 instead!  I have had seen people get terminated because sick calls were placed onto the wrong person with a like name(s), parent died, severe floods, or "unauthorized" early outs from other stations!  But hey, the union got their jobs back, but now just need near perfect attendance for the next 12 months to keep it!

 
retroactive Level 3s in PHX? How could that happen? Where were the union representatives?
 

 

[P. REZ]

I am agreeing with you very much on this issue in overlooking contractual language on sick calls, as I don't trust these Management biscuits.  The Membership was promised by the union and this issue would be addressed before the last JCBA, and nothing happened.  Sadly, as the policy was retroactively applied, people with sick/late calls for the year prior suddenly found themselves on a Level 3 without prior warnings!  How did the union allow this to happen, and better yet, let Management keep the same "flexibility" in the new contract!
 
Also let me be brutally honest on this matter as our local PHX union representatives consider it a "victory" as someone gets unfairly terminated over sick calls, but "saves" their job by having them issued "just" a Level 3 instead!  I have had seen people get terminated because sick calls were placed onto the wrong person with a like name(s), parent died, severe floods, or "unauthorized" early outs from other stations!  But hey, the union got their jobs back, but now just need near perfect attendance for the next 12 months to keep it!

Where do you get your information? Very few people get terminated in PHX for attendance and when they do, it was very bad attendance. Your scenario is not even close to accurate. And before you claim you've heard it from victims, get proof because every Union rep will back me on that.

P. Rez

 

[Jester]

 
retroactive Level 3s in PHX? How could that happen? Where were the union representatives?
 

 
I asked the same question... nothing in the CBA disallowed it.  But hey, no one was terminated for having 70+ points, "just" Level 3.  I would think someone would have told Management that one cannot be on a Level 3 without being given warnings for other prior Levels. And it wasn't just PHX, as the LAS guys told me the same thing happened there.

 

[Jester]

Where do you get your information? Very few people get terminated in PHX for attendance and when they do, it was very bad attendance. Your scenario is not even close to accurate. And before you claim you've heard it from victims, get proof because every Union rep will back me on that.

P. Rez

Really?  What happened to C.L.? How about P.B.?  Both were about to be railroaded into Level 3s which eventually cost C.L. his job and P.B was smart enough to fight without the union support. Why not answer those two examples????
 
Edit:  And let me add, and I have avoided this for a LONG while, but frankly, you are A LOT talk around PHX and it isn't just me.
 
Edit Again:  Maybe you can call C.L.?  I think I still have his phone number and work to get his job back after the screw job he got.

 

[P. REZ]

Really?  What happened to C.L.? How about P.B.?  Both were about to be railroaded into Level 3s which eventually cost C.L. his job and P.B was smart enough to fight without the union support. Why not answer those two examples????
 
Edit:  And let me add, and I have avoided this for a LONG while, but frankly, you are A LOT talk around PHX and it isn't just me.

For someone who won't come and talk to me or any other Union rep to get your proof but will listen to the negative crap from people stirring the pot, that's your problem. I don't know who CL or PB are by initials only.

Like I said before, reach out to 10 Union reps of your choosing and I know you'll then realize that you got BS info. Or, you can believe somebody not involved.

P. Rez