JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[NYer]

Yes the IAM does currently have where the company can change shifts with 48 hours notice. And 5 day notice to change days off. These changes can not last for more than 30 days without a new bid being posted. And I understand what you are saying. I do t mind answering questions like you just asked. However to start pointing out all the differences, some of which many may not care about, would be very time consuming. But I will answer all specific questions that I can.

Doesn't really have to be a blow by blow, but pointing out issues such as this could yield a little more perspective as to the difficulties in this process. The less information that is shared the more the frustration could rise and patience diminish. Those are emotions the Company can use to their advantage since time is an asset to them. If that is neutralized, it could make the tougher issues easier to combat or push back.

Right now, most are looking at the money and that could be better managed if they realized there are real and tangible issues being tackled and to their advantage.

 

[charlie Brown]

C.B
If fleet were to reach a TA before M&R, would fleet be allowed to move forward without them?

I would say you probably won t have to worry about that. Fleet and mechanics teams are working very close together. We usually exchange proposals with each other to look over one another's in case the other team can pull something and use off the other. Now eventually there will be some issues that we will go our separate ways on, but even then, I would assume we will stay very close in the same position. I for one think it is very useful for fleet to have the mechanics with us. The synergies the company gains from the mechanics getting a combined agreement are far more than the fleet synergies. We can use this leverage to help us at fleet. I know the last agreement at US was helped because of this way of negotiating.

 

[charlie Brown]

Doesn't really have to be a blow by blow, but pointing out issues such as this could yield a little more perspective as to the difficulties in this process. The less information that is shared the more the frustration could rise and patience diminish. Those are emotions the Company can use to their advantage since time is an asset to them. If that is neutralized, it could make the tougher issues easier to combat or push back.
Right now, most are looking at the money and that could be better managed if they realized there are real and tangible issues being tackled and to their advantage.

Understand NYer
And like I said. I will answer questions as best and as detailed as I can. There are some very educated people on this forum such as you and others, that I'm sure know what questions can be asked and already have a good idea of the differences.

 

[NYer]

Understand NYer
And like I said. I will answer questions as best and as detailed as I can. There are some very educated people on this forum such as you and others, that I'm sure know what questions can be asked and already have a good idea of the differences.

The issue is the information reaching the thousands that aren't on this blog.

 

[AANOTOK]

My suggestion would be when the negotiations break off for the two weeks that they usually do, go and have a Q&A session with the members at the halls. For those who really are concerned about the holdups, and like you say Charlie, it is too time consuming to go over every detail that is an issue, have a "Roadshow" during down times and get the facts out. Again, these are not normal negotiations, the workforce is bigger, more members on edge, get out there and explain the delays. And yes, the TWU members are probably more uptight at the pace. Telling us here on these boards or sending out your email is not getting to 90% of the members.
AA can stand up in those Town Halls and blame you guys all day without any push back, and so far, they are winning.
You guys have an obligation by any means possible to convince your members that the AA with Parker management is the problem, and not the newly formed Association.
 
I get it, I pass it on, but many times it's still Where is my money, I hate this Association.

 

[AANOTOK]

I would say you probably won t have to worry about that. Fleet and mechanics teams are working very close together. We usually exchange proposals with each other to look over one another's in case the other team can pull something and use off the other. Now eventually there will be some issues that we will go our separate ways on, but even then, I would assume we will stay very close in the same position. I for one think it is very useful for fleet to have the mechanics with us. The synergies the company gains from the mechanics getting a combined agreement are far more than the fleet synergies. We can use this leverage to help us at fleet. I know the last agreement at US was helped because of this way of negotiating.

My reading into that is a T/A will not be announced until both have reached one.
So if I were answering you Bob, I would say no.

 

[charlie Brown]

My suggestion would be when the negotiations break off for the two weeks that they usually do, go and have a Q&A session with the members at the halls. For those who really are concerned about the holdups, and like you say Charlie, it is too time consuming to go over every detail that is an issue, have a "Roadshow" during down times and get the facts out. Again, these are not normal negotiations, the workforce is bigger, more members on edge, get out there and explain the delays. And yes, the TWU members are probably more uptight at the pace. Telling us here on these boards or sending out your email is not getting to 90% of the members.
AA can stand up in those Town Halls and blame you guys all day without any push back, and so far, they are winning.
You guys have an obligation by any means possible to convince your members that the AA with Parker management is the problem, and not the newly formed Association.
 
I get it, I pass it on, but many times it's still Where is my money, I hate this Association.

Believe me, I wish we had the time to do roadshows. I and many more on the team would like nothing better. The problem is, we are playing catch up on our work if and when we have a down week. I still have terminated employees out there today that are awaiting a hearing date to hopefully get their jobs back. It hard to explain to them that roadshows for someone that is still employees is more important than their hearing. But due to the negotiating schedule, many of us are super busy and playing catch up on our down weeks. So we just have to do what we can do. I know the frustrations are there. About the money, about the association. We can sit around and pout and moan about it. Or we can go to work and move forward. That's what we are doing our best to do on both sides of the negotiating team. What goes on at the very top is beyond the negotiating teams control anyway.

 

[AANOTOK]

CB, always appreciate your timely replies, and in a professional manner as well.

 

[charlie Brown]

My reading into that is a T/A will not be announced until both have reached one.
So if I were answering you Bob, I would say no.

Your free to read into it what you want. If it happened that one side would get way ahead of the other, then I'm sure it will have to be talked about going at it alone. I'm just saying that is not the situation as of today, and I don't see it being a issue down the road. Doesn't mean it won't happen. I'm just telling you how it is right now.

 

[charlie Brown]

CB, always appreciate your timely replies, and in a professional manner as well.

No problem. I appreciate all of you getting on here and asking the questions when I get a few minutes. Many read this site, and appreciate all of you that ask the questions.

 

[AANOTOK]

Got it.

 

[charlie Brown]

The issue is the information reaching the thousands that aren't on this blog.

NYer
I agree. But I believe you are in charge of a very large station if I'm correct. Hopefully you and everyone else on here is helping get the info out to those thousands. Everyone needs to realize we are all in negotiations, not just the negotiating team. I have never denied anyone my phone number. Anyone and everyone that wants to call or text me is welcome to. We need everyone helping to get the info out at this time. All I ask is that you get the correct info from a credible source before you put it out.

 

[NYer]

NYer
I agree. But I believe you are in charge of a very large station if I'm correct. Hopefully you and everyone else on here is helping get the info out to those thousands. Everyone needs to realize we are all in negotiations, not just the negotiating team. I have never denied anyone my phone number. Anyone and everyone that wants to call or text me is welcome to. We need everyone helping to get the info out at this time. All I ask is that you get the correct info from a credible source before you put it out.

It has much more value when it comes directly from the source.

 

[charlie Brown]

It has much more value when it comes directly from the source.

Don't know what your schedule is like. But we can only do so much with the time we have. To be honest if you want my opinion? I personally think weekly updates are a waste of time and fuels more frustrations than the good they do. For the simple reason that there are many weeks that T/a,s will not be reached, but that doesn't mean progress wasn't made. However the membership takes it as a negative if they don't see t/a,s reached. It causes more frustrations in my opinion than the good it does. I think a briefing after each 3 week or 4 week session is what would be best. But that's not my call.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Has the Association signed off on the profit sharing?

It prolly wont matter since a deal will be signed alot earlier than january 1. We can be almost certain that a ta will happen quickly due to the pressures on the association to get this done without risking the window of opportunity closing. Considering how well the non contract peeps did with their first contract, we should come alot alot better.It will be hard to screw these negotiations up.