JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[robbedagain]

CB  thanks for the updates  to me it shows progress is being made despite what some may say   I always liked the old saying that the longer it takes the better the deal can be made   I hope that is the case here    a Lot of folks just wants the money it seems  but scope should be the number one priority as it determines job security and wages be right behind it     thats just my honest opin  
 
CB  at this rate it seems as though the talks are moving along  and with 2 weeks left for June  and I think you said 3 in August  it seems very possible that some kind deal could possibly come by summer's end?

 

[charlie Brown]

CB  thanks for the updates  to me it shows progress is being made despite what some may say   I always liked the old saying that the longer it takes the better the deal can be made   I hope that is the case here    a Lot of folks just wants the money it seems  but scope should be the number one priority as it determines job security and wages be right behind it     thats just my honest opin  
 
CB  at this rate it seems as though the talks are moving along  and with 2 weeks left for June  and I think you said 3 in August  it seems very possible that some kind deal could possibly come by summer's end?

Hi Robbed
I think we have 8 more weeks between now and end of August. Need to check my calendar for the specific weeks. But it's possible. I've always said I thought we would get it done within the year. I think it's doable by fall. That's just my personal opinion.

 

[Other People]

there really arent any negotiations other than the pie being given to our reps and them trying to figure out how to shuffle it. Parker already claims the money is there and he also tossed in the profit sharing, which wasnt even in either contract.
Hopefully, they can figure out the rest without reverting to a united contract that only has FT protections for members with 17+ years.

Ill give a negotiation update on lombardo and our ta fairly soon. With the bar set at "The best of both contracts", i think we can all agree thats a low bar. Hopefully Parker gave us more pie than the bar that the union bosses telegraphed. We should be able to settle this already by at least grandfathering small stations and also lowering the twu flight activity bar, keep lavs, catering, tower, clp, and agree to the same days off as cwa which should include another week of vacation, holidays, sick time, etc.

Remember, 700 is a liar and said that the cwa gave up work but that isnt true, they expanded scope to include another 7,000 members who didnt even have a contract. If non contract peeps on the property can go from no scope to 5 flights a day, and zoom right by us on all the other stuff, then we should do alot better since we started from much higher ground of having 2 contracts.

I agree that we should have been given information on President Lombardo. You also make a good point about the non contract group making significant gains. Do you think we can get the same grandfather rights and scope for all stations with 5 flights or more? If Parker didn't have a problem expanding scope for that non contract group, then I would expect that the jcba scope would also be around 5 flights. How many stations would that open up? I also agree with your earlier comments about our health care. our reps have also advised us that we shouldn't expect to keep our current health care. I don't know why not though. Why should we concede anything?

 

[Tim Nelson]

I agree that we should have been given information on President Lombardo. You also make a good point about the non contract group making significant gains. Do you think we can get the same grandfather rights and scope for all stations with 5 flights or more? If Parker didn't have a problem expanding scope for that non contract group, then I would expect that the jcba scope would also be around 5 flights. How many stations would that open up? I also agree with your earlier comments about our health care. our reps have also advised us that we shouldn't expect to keep our current health care. I don't know why not though. Why should we concede anything?

Our health care survived bankruptcy so I really don't have any idea why we would lose it now and make a concession. But we will.
Unfortunate that Lombardo didn't address his membership or that we haven't been told any direction. Scope? I'm guessing grandfathering small stations, and cleaning up the TWU scope side. This contract will be signed quicker than peeps think as you only need to look at what he gave the non contract peeps to realize he is serious about fairness. This contract will be better than the initial "Best of Both" bar, and there really shouldn't be any reason, given the context of the billions of dollars and Parker's commitment [and actions] to expect any concessions at all. Of course, you see what they just signed at your old stomping ground, and it isn't good, and the whole Spirit thing became an absolute disaster, but I don't know how they can screw this one up.

 

[ograc]

Maybe at the former AA airlines, the management and TWU reached quick agreement in the 3-6 months time frame. I don't know. And even though the name is still AA, it is US management now calling the shots. I can tell you from experience a 9 - 12 month agreement for this management team would be considered a quick agreement for them. I can also tell you that the company just isn't offering us 30 a hour without stipulations. A quick agreement, at 30 dollars a hour with no concessions isn't what is being offered. For those that think it is? Then your dreaming. If and when we end up with such a deal, it will be because of many hours of back and forth negotiating. This management team has and always will try to be as cost neutral as they can be. The challenge for our team is to get what we deserve without concessions. Yes we all wish it would come quick. But we who have dealt with this management team before, knows that it doesn't. We have to scratch and claw for everything. This is no surprise to us on the US side. Yes AA lives on. But US management is running the show.

 
From inside the room. Is everybody clear on the posture of the company in negotiations? This is what we are up against folks. Thank you CB for the gut / reality check.

 

[Racer X]

Back on topic.

In the CSA contract the agents have 10 holidays at Double time. The agents have the ability to exchange the extra pay for 2 more weeks of vacation. Do you like that idea?

If that were to come to us, would those vacation days be placed into the mix when we chose our weeks the year before or would those weeks be relegated to left over weeks during the slow season such as Feb or Mar?

Thoughts?

I believe currently at LUS, the two weeks can be taken as comp time .  But you can only take the time that you have accrued. That means, for example,  that you cant take the day that you would get for the 4th of July........ until the 4TH of July passes.  [you have to have it in the bank so to speak]  

 

[WeAAsles]

I believe currently at LUS, the two weeks can be taken as comp time .  But you can only take the time that you have accrued. That means, for example,  that you cant take the day that you would get for the 4th of July........ until the 4TH of July passes.  [you have to have it in the bank so to speak]

I know that there's been an issue with the PMAA side agents since they moved from a pay from behind formula to a forward one. I'm sure that will be coming our way in the future as well. Basically they had to give the company back 40 hours of pay I think it was.

So it sounds like from what you're saying you can tell the company don't pay me for that Holliday that I want to bank it? If that's right do you have to request that through your Workbrain? And I'm guessing if that comes our way I won't be able to put in for the extra days till the following year?

If you want those days as a straight week instead of DAT days can you request that and how does it work?

I'm also wondering if we're going to have to pay the company back in the future if its only a 40 hour amount? When I started I worked in a city that paid weekly and then moved to cities that paid bi weekly.

 

[AANOTOK]

Once all the changes are implemented and everything is said and done, I'm gonna be working for USAir with the AA logo.

 

[WeAAsles]

Once all the changes are implemented and everything is said and done, I'm gonna be working for USAir with the AA logo.

America West.

 

[Racer X]

I know that there's been an issue with the PMAA side agents since they moved from a pay from behind formula to a forward one. I'm sure that will be coming our way in the future as well. Basically they had to give the company back 40 hours of pay I think it was.

So it sounds like from what you're saying you can tell the company don't pay me for that Holliday that I want to bank it? If that's right do you have to request that through your Workbrain? And I'm guessing if that comes our way I won't be able to put in for the extra days till the following year?

If you want those days as a straight week instead of DAT days can you request that and how does it work?

I'm also wondering if we're going to have to pay the company back in the future if its only a 40 hour amount? When I started I worked in a city that paid weekly and then moved to cities that paid bi weekly.

You do not have to wait until the following year CURRENTLY...you can take it in the same year it is accrued   just not BEFORE it is accrued. I believe you cannot use them as a full week.  We probably cant be sure how it will work going forward due to the differences in how vacation is done in their perspective agreements...Currently in LUS we accrue in the year it is used. I believe LAA has it that the vacation time is awarded from the previous year..

 

[WeAAsles]

You do not have to wait until the following year CURRENTLY...you can take it in the same year it is accrued   just not BEFORE it is accrued. I believe you cannot use them as a full week.  We probably cant be sure how it will work going forward due to the differences in how vacation is done in their perspective agreements...Currently in LUS we accrue in the year it is used. I believe LAA has it that the vacation time is awarded from the previous year..

The PSA secured language to be able to use those Holiday days for straight week extra vacations. I don't see any reason why the company is not going to agree to allow us to do the same.

http://american-agents.org/app/uploads/2015/10/Article_19_Holiday_Vacation.pdf

 

[cltrat]

America West.

welcome to our world

 

[AANOTOK]

America West.

YUCK...even worse.

 

[AANOTOK]

This vacation talk confuses me. I asked this once before and my Texas education prevented me from deciphering it.
Let's say we pass a contract in August and they go with LUS way of doing vacation. We are given five weeks. If I plan a European vacation for all of Jan, will I be able to do that or will I be short on time accrued. Currently at LAA, you can take all of your vacation starting Jan.1st until your five weeks are up. Some people I know do/have done that. I personally like taking the first two weeks of Jan and go skiing. Is that possible under LUS. Go slow, remember, Texas Ex (and I don't mean University of Texas)  🙂

 

[700UW]

You bid your vacation the year before you take it.
 
You can take vacation in January, and not be penalized.