JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Worldport]

NYer I wanted to come back to this because it was one of your more simple responses. You need to learn something about people and their problems. I don't care how many positions you've held or hold today. Your job is to try and help them with their problems, not to own them. They still have to carry their own responsibilities and figure out the best way in their own lives to deal with them.

I hope you really are involved and active in Unionism for the benefit of others and not yourself or the need to feed a personal ego? Because if you're not sincere the World will crumble around you pretty fast.

But honestly if you really are sincere you're not going to be able to carry the weight of everyone on your shoulders. Just try to be as honest as you can and you did do your job well. You're the only one who can judge yourself.

If you guys are walking towards each other do you acknowledge one another or make believe you are on the phone?

 

[Tim Nelson]

It goes to the same argument. With the medical, we were able to keep the PTer with the same premiums and medical plans as the FTer. Again, it goes back to take the incentive away from the Company to keep a PTer a PTer forever. 
 
To me, it is similar to the Delta use of the Ready Reserve. They have a segment of the workforce that benefits them and they do everything they can to avoid having those workers move into a regular Delta employee coverage. We have several ex-Delta employees that reached their maximum annual hours and were sent home to wait for the next year and have their hours reset to 0. 
 
As an individual, the PTer might feel they're being singled out, but those decisions were made for the good of the whole and even the future of that PTer.

Im in total agreement with that, if thats the approach our negotiators take. The company does exploit having pt list and keeps ot from FT since pt is paid straight time up until qualifier.

In 2008 we got rid of temp, in 2014 we got rid of ready reserve language, we are moving in the right direction and hopefully pt benefits wont be leaned on as much to subsidize the rest.

 

[NYer]

If you guys are walking towards each other do you acknowledge one another or make believe you are on the phone?

 
He walks right by us. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Mr. NYer, that explanation excuse is loud. First, to say the boycott of OT a is job action sounds as though that's coming from managements mouth. When unions were strong that was a tool and was used effectively. Yes, IT IS a job action. Secondly, you speak unionism, people gave their lives for unions and the progress they gained. Now, you talk OT and survival. Dude, I'm starting to think this argument has more to do with what's best for you and the every day OT workers, not the ones who truly need it there when needed.

He didnt say it was, he said it can be considered one.

Did you know job actions arent prohibited by the RLA, other than a strike?And a secondary sympathy strike isnt necessarily prohibited either.

However, over the past 25-30years, company's sought contractual language to limit solidarity. Thats why your contract has a clause that collars a union. So, due to the language in your contract, (not the rla), i believe most concerted efforts would be considered illegal by a judge.

Not that it couldnt be done, but if it is, it may be considered a breach of your contract. Silly unions.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Dealing with thousands of grievances over the years, as compared to someone that doesn't even work OT, I'd say yes. 
 
Another difference between the IAM and the TWU, which would influence the equalization is the fact that on the TWU, if there is a bypass the Member receives the pay without having to work the hours. With a system like that, equalization is even more important. In a system of bypass where the Member that is bypassed is offered to work the hours ahead of someone else, then equalization has less of a need. 
 
Of course, those that see these issues as a matter of someone begin greedy and should be penalized for it, would see this issue in a manner that projects self interest. 

Yes I noticed last night how un greedy you are when you proposed to CB that the negotiators should go for doing EVERYTHING the TWU way over any consideration of language on the IAM side.

That's not selfish at all is it?

 

[WeAAsles]

No confusion. If i represented and negotiated for an entire group, id think it would be more inequitable to privilege full timers with part time openings. So, if it was up to me alone, id have pt list so pt can be first to fill pt openings. But if thats not how the negotiators see it, and if they prefer nyer opinion, then thats how it will be and ill take full advantage of it as a full timer.

It's not NYer's opinion. It's the way it's done currently in our contract that he is advocating for. Everything our way, nothing of yours.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
It's not a matter of trying to create an inequitable process. 
 
By trying to hold the PT flexibility the Company can possess the better we would be able to fight in favor of having more FT. We are in a station, the only station in our system where we have more FT and less PT than we did prior to 9/11. We believe that is directly as a result of keeping the PT position as restricted as it can be for the Company. However, we are also the station that helped to negotiate the current CS, which gives our commuters and PTers the ability to work more hours than a FTer that just cuts his 40 and goes home. 
 
If we allow the PT position to be filled with other PT, at usually a lower pay, they will have an incentive to keep PTers, rather than create more FT. 

On this one I agree with your position. PT should be a springboard to wanting to gain a FT position.

 

[WeAAsles]

If you guys are walking towards each other do you acknowledge one another or make believe you are on the phone?

We've shook our heads with a slight grin as we pass each other. Neither of us says anything past the challenging body language.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
He walks right by us. 

Really? When was the last time YOU walked the ramp. Or do you feel the need to have personal security guards? "US" 

D17 Brother.

Anyway if you can stay on point here. In the IAM contract they still have Double Time on second day off call in. And they don't go to the bottom of the list like we used to.

At $30.00 per hour getting called for both days is $840.00 in one shot. Pretty good deal if you ask me.

 

[NYer]

Yes I noticed last night how un greedy you are when you proposed to CB that the negotiators should go for doing EVERYTHING the TWU way over any consideration of language on the IAM side.

That's not selfish at all is it?

 
Oh brother. 

 

[P. REZ]

I think everyone can see the issues we deal with regarding JCBA talks. We have some vast differences in language in some cases and we have to work through all of it. When it comes to scope the PAX agents have 5, LAA has 15 and LUS has 1. Care to guess where the Company will start? Every Article they pass is full of the weakest language from both contracts. We don't have temp employees and LAA does but I think you all noticed that there is not a ta on that Article.

I'm not trying to say anything negative here but the money isn't there without strings attached. Your NC has worked hard to get to where we are and all of you need to realize we are together in that room. I think a ta is possible in the fall but would not be surprised if it wasn't.

I know Parker and his crew are saying one thing in town halls but they are misleading you. I ask one thing, back us!!!!

P. Rez

 

[P. REZ]

78' graduate here. I would be remiss if I allowed you to show a picture/video of Ted Nugent and not mention that
"Stranglehold" was one of the greatest songs ever...probably longer than that!  🙂

AANOTOK,

Stranglehold is an awesome song but 2 I have on my list are Dazed and Confused and Whole Lotta Love( I karaoke this and wife hates it) by Zep.

P. Rez

 

[WeAAsles]

AANOTOK,
Stranglehold is an awesome song but 2 I have on my list are Dazed and Confused and Whole Lotta Love( I karaoke this and wife hates it) by Zep.
P. Rez

I'll nominate

Won't get fooled again, The Who
Born to run, Bruce Springsteen

 

[AANOTOK]

Just throwing that out there.
 
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/06/19/report-private-pension-plans-in-danger-of-insolvency/

 

[Tim Nelson]

I think everyone can see the issues we deal with regarding JCBA talks. We have some vast differences in language in some cases and we have to work through all of it. When it comes to scope the PAX agents have 5, LAA has 15 and LUS has 1. Care to guess where the Company will start? Every Article they pass is full of the weakest language from both contracts. We don't have temp employees and LAA does but I think you all noticed that there is not a ta on that Article.
I'm not trying to say anything negative here but the money isn't there without strings attached. Your NC has worked hard to get to where we are and all of you need to realize we are together in that room. I think a ta is possible in the fall but would not be surprised if it wasn't.
I know Parker and his crew are saying one thing in town halls but they are misleading you. I ask one thing, back us!!!!
P. Rez

I dont think anyone has a choice but to ride this Association out for now. The assumption is that your guys are backing us and our support.

I hope Sito isnt gonna be a hard A over the iampf because the reality is that i havent run into 1 twu member who wants to be forced into the iampf. Just being honest.

Ill email Sito if i have to should things bog down over the iampf. Hopefully things are seamless but i honestly havent heard 1 twu member say that he/she wants to be forced into it. I know im screwed with it but at least give others a choice. Ill send sito my new video explaining the iampf to all the members. Ill try to have it out by next week.

And please stop wasting our dues money organizing jetblue. Even if by some chance the labor organization known as the IAM  is successful, management will simply contract out those poor souls except possibly jfk.