JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Oy.
 
You seem to have a different definition of equalization.

In your fervor to try and simply come on this page and go into attack the Weez mode you lose your ability to propel a meaningful debate or argument for your position.

Why would I have a problem with being reset to zero 4 times per year? If everyone has zero we are all now equal to begin to try and accumulate some hours and some extra cash. Besides if you really want to make an argument for pure socialism why don't we try to argue to do away with payscales as well? We all do the same job right? Why should a new hire get paid $9.00 per hour while I get $24.00?

The system we have in place now we all step on the shoulders of others. Including you.

 

[700UW]

In Maintenance at US your hours never get reset.
 
If you are out of work on OJI, or sick, more than 30 days, you get averaged back in.
 
So for a no contact you get charged eight hours.
 
If you work it, you get charged the hours that would be paid, for example if you work 4 and 4 thats 14 hours, and if you refuse it you get charged the hours you would have been paid.

So the list is always rolling.
 
If you are out sick, on vacation, or union or company business you dont get charged as you are not eligible.
 
And you can have yes or no for your RDOs.

 

[NYer]

In your fervor to try and simply come on this page and go into attack the Weez mode you lose your ability to propel a meaningful debate or argument for your position.

Why would I have a problem with being reset to zero 4 times per year? If everyone has zero we are all now equal to begin to try and accumulate some hours and some extra cash. Besides if you really want to make an argument for pure socialism why don't we try to argue to do away with payscales as well? We all do the same job right? Why should a new hire get paid $9.00 per hour while I get $24.00?

The system we have in place now we all step on the shoulders of others. Including you.

 
Quite simply. You spend some time making your point against equalization, but now you're in favor of equalization.

 

[WeAAsles]

In Maintenance at US your hours never get reset.
 
If you are out of work on OJI, or sick, more than 30 days, you get averaged back in.
 
So for a no contact you get charged eight hours.
 
If you work it, you get charged the hours that would be paid, for example if you work 4 and 4 thats 14 hours, and if you refuse it you get charged the hours you would have been paid.

So the list is always rolling.
 
If you are out sick, on vacation, or union or company business you dont get charged as you are not eligible.
 
And you can have yes or no for your RDOs.

Never resets?

So a guy with 20 years could have thousands of OT hours showing and a new hire has zero? Or does that new hire now get averaged in at thousands of hours also?

The comment doesn't make sense my friend? If it never resets then you would have averaged in hours from guys that may have even retired years ago.

What am I missing here?

 

[700UW]

Never resets?

So a guy with 20 years could have thousands of OT hours showing and a new hire has zero? Or does that new hire now get averaged in at thousands of hours also?

The comment doesn't make sense my friend? If it never resets then you would have averaged in hours from guys that may have even retired years ago.

What am I missing here?

No one is added to the list at zero.
 
If you are a new hire, or transfer in, you are averaged in the list.
 
So we do subtract hours equally just to lower numbers.
 
So say the low man on the list has a 1,000 hours, we can subtract 999 hours from everyone.

 

[WeAAsles]

Quite simply. You spend some time making your point against equalization, but now you're in favor of equalization.

Ok I'll explain it a little better. What I'm not in favor of is being charged hours if I never even signed up or called. Any hours worked (including mandatory) I should be charged for. And also I agree that if I sign up and they call me but I don't like the choices and refuse I should also be charged. I'm fine with a penalty if "I" was the one who refused.

Being reset to zero for all is fair. That gives people 4 times a year that they can begin to gain a few hours. But whoever agreed in the past to equalization before the reset was just looking to game the system to gain an advantage to keep making money.

When I first got FT I was equalized for OT on day one. That was weird even if you don't agree.

 

[NYer]

Ok I'll explain it a little better. What I'm not in favor of is being charged hours if I never even signed up or called. Any hours worked (including mandatory) I should be charged for. And also I agree that if I sign up and they call me but I don't like the choices and refuse I should also be charged. I'm fine with a penalty if "I" was the one who refused.

Being reset to zero for all is fair. That gives people 4 times a year that they can begin to gain a few hours. But whoever agreed in the past to equalization before the reset was just looking to game the system to gain an advantage to keep making money.

When I first got FT I was equalized for OT on day one. That was weird even if you don't agree.

 
You don't get charged hours when you don't sign up.
 
You're arguing against something and you don't even know how it works.
 
Our equalization resets to 0 every bid, every bid starts off with a level playing field.
 
Seems like you agree with how the process currently works. Ironic.

 

[WeAAsles]

You don't get charged hours when you don't sign up.
 
You're arguing against something and you don't even know how it works.
 
Our equalization resets to 0 every bid, every bid starts off with a level playing field.
 
Seems like you agree with how the process currently works. Ironic.

Maybe it works that way in our Station and I know that it works that way in DFW but I clearly remember in LGA they would average hours to people who didn't even sign up. And in DFW they made a motion many years ago to do away with the averaging. Ok then I'll say the word averaging if that makes it clearer for you. Sometimes the conversation is merely a difference of a particular word but normally intelligent people can understand the meaning.

Basically to again make it as simple as possible. If I never sign up and we're coming to the last week of the bid (quarter) I want to be able to blow out the week with early call in 5 days straight that's my perogative.

 

[NYer]

Maybe it works that way in our Station and I know that it works that way in DFW but I clearly remember in LGA they would average hours to people who didn't even sign up. And in DFW they made a motion many years ago to do away with the averaging. Ok then I'll say the word averaging if that makes it clearer for you. Sometimes the conversation is merely a difference of a particular word but normally intelligent people can understand the meaning.

Basically to again make it as simple as possible. If I never sign up and we're coming to the last week of the bid (quarter) I want to be able to blow out the week with early call in 5 days straight that's my perogative.

 
So I guess you're in favor of the equalization process in your station.
 
Thanks for the clarification.

 

[AANOTOK]

NYer, you sir are the one confused. W and I have been arguing the whole time that if OT guy signs up and works every day of his work week (lets say after his shift) he now has a total of 20 hrs (for argument purposes start of a bid). If I didn't sign up the second day when OT guy got it again, I was charged those 4 hours as well just so I would stay equalized with OT guy, and it proceeded to follow that pattern. W and I are saying we should not be charged any hours if we did not sign up, therefore OT guy had 20 and I had zero.
OT guy has 20, I decide to work every day the following week, I should get it every day until I catch him in hours (20). When equalization comes (new bid) OT guy could have 200 hrs and I might have 16, then we both go back to zero. Really not sure what your arguing anymore.

 

[WeAAsles]

So I guess you're in favor of the equalization process in your station.
 
Thanks for the clarification.

It needs to be universally accepted and written into the CBA. No member will be charged ANY hours if he has not signed up or refused OT that he personally made "himself" available for. All hours shall revert to zero on the first of the month quarterly.

Mandatory overtime hours "worked" will be charged.

 

[WeAAsles]

NYer, you sir are the one confused. W and I have been arguing the whole time that if OT guy signs up and works every day of his work week (lets say after his shift) he now has a total of 20 hrs (for argument purposes start of a bid). If I didn't sign up the second day when OT guy got it again, I was charged those 4 hours as well just so I would stay equalized with OT guy, and it proceeded to follow that pattern. W and I are saying we should not be charged any hours if we did not sign up, therefore OT guy had 20 and I had zero.
OT guy has 20, I decide to work every day the following week, I should get it every day until I catch him in hours (20). When equalization comes (new bid) OT guy could have 200 hrs and I might have 16, then we both go back to zero. Really not sure what your arguing anymore.

Thanks AA. I've obviously not made myself clear enough for one particular reader.

 

[NYer]

NYer, you sir are the one confused. W and I have been arguing the whole time that if OT guy signs up and works every day of his work week (lets say after his shift) he now has a total of 20 hrs (for argument purposes start of a bid). If I didn't sign up the second day when OT guy got it again, I was charged those 4 hours as well just so I would stay equalized with OT guy, and it proceeded to follow that pattern. W and I are saying we should not be charged any hours if we did not sign up, therefore OT guy had 20 and I had zero.
OT guy has 20, I decide to work every day the following week, I should get it every day until I catch him in hours (20). When equalization comes (new bid) OT guy could have 200 hrs and I might have 16, then we both go back to zero. Really not sure what your arguing anymore.

 
That is where the confusion lies NOTOK. In our station, if don't sign you don't get charged and everyone goes to 0 at the start of every bid. You may not know this is the way we do it, but he was arguing against the very same process you described.
 
Someone like Weezle should be at 0 hours if he hasn't made himself available to work.

 

[NYer]

It needs to be universally accepted and written into the CBA. No member will be charged ANY hours if he has not signed up or refused OT that he personally made "himself" available for. All hours shall revert to zero on the first of the month quarterly.

Mandatory overtime hours "worked" will be charged.

 
Mandatory hours are not charged.
 
Hours go to 0 at the beginning of each bid.
 
Then you should advocate to have the rules from your station adopted into the JCBA.

 

[AANOTOK]

I must admit NYer, I thought he was arguing the opposite (agreeing with me), and I thought you were arguing the opposite as well (disagreeing). I will now go slash my right wrist and hold off on the left until I take a peek at our T/A...