JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[NYer]

Oh yes they and they do as management and labor relations sign off it, only in regards to OT.

 
In the context of local agreements in the TWU, it is between the local and the management team in that station. Anything that has to do with Labor Relations (outside the local city), it is referred to as "side letter."

 

[700UW]

What's the point?

The point is you are focused on ONE city, there are 49 others and what works in MIA, might not work in other cities.

Like I said the CBA covers all and that's how the NC has to operate.

You have tunnel vision, and seem to only care about MIA and not the whole system.

 

[WeAAsles]

Nyer
Your focused on Miami, there are 49 other stations and PMUS' way also.
Change is hard to accept for people, and change is comIng.
You represent MIA, the NC represents everyone.

I was typing same time as you.

 

[NYer]

Jeez Louise this would have been such an easier conversation if I had used the word "averaging" over the word "equalization" I guess?

NYer Yes I do prefer our way of doing it here in MIA and the way they do it also in DFW. When should it reset back to zero would be a different debate.

700UW doesn't think it's fair for a guy like me that it gets reset (Quarterly or end of a bid) Maybe it's not and it should reset yearly instead? But I'm not as greedy as you tried to paint me and would actually even prefer quarterly over our way which makes the reset only 3 times per year rather than 4.

Yes I want "Joe Family Guy" to be able to get a few extra bucks cause he might need it more than me after all.

And NYer try to remember right now there are 50 stations to think about in this conversation, not just one or two.

 
I was talking to you because the terminology should be understood. That is why I asked if you knew what "equalization" meant. Of course, you went on a tirade in which people's intellect were questioned.
 
You try too hard to get in zingers, it clouds your contribution. It isn't necessary to call people names or ridicule their level of intellect, as you see it.

 

[WeAAsles]

What's the point?

NYer this Forums is a perfect avenue for you to advocate for something that you might feel would be a particular concern to MIA members. But again you need to also consider the entire membership in your thoughts.

Perhaps you feel MIA has no advocate? You're wrong. Issues on the uniqueness and importance of CS's here were brought up to a "friend" who argued for those concerns.

 

[WeAAsles]

I was talking to you because the terminology should be understood. That is why I asked if you knew what "equalization" meant. Of course, you went on a tirade in which people's intellect were questioned.
 
You try too hard to get in zingers, it clouds your contribution. It isn't necessary to call people names or ridicule their level of intellect, as you see it.

You get in a few zingers of your own there Brother. Let's both look in the mirror on that one.

 

[NYer]

The point is you are focused on ONE city, there are 49 others and what works in MIA, might not work in other cities.

Like I said the CBA covers all and that's how the NC has to operate.

You have tunnel vision, and seem to only care about MIA and not the whole system.

 
Not at all, I actually agreed with the "equalization" method while in NY, not MIA. We believe it would translate very well throughout the system, however that decision would go to the majority. In order to address issues in different stations, I also believe it is prudent to leave a little room for modification to some of these issues to a local level.

 

[WeAAsles]

Not at all, I actually agreed with the "equalization" method while in NY, not MIA. We believe it would translate very well throughout the system, however that decision would go to the majority. In order to address issues in different stations, I also believe it is prudent to leave a little room for modification to some of these issues to a local level.

One issue here in MIA I'd like to see addressed is the inordinate amount of time it takes to go through the AOA badge process. I've heard that the Port Authority in NYC is also a nightmare. In DFW the process was much quicker.

That UAL agreement gives their members one hour paid to essentially wait in line. I waited an hour and a half last month.

Again is this an issue that is not as bad in other locations?

 

[700UW]

Here let me throw this out here.

I worked 20 years in maintenance, we NEVER equaled out or zeroed out the list ever, seem to have worked fine for the 20 years I was there.
 
This kept the list fair and always moving.
 
So if you didnt work, you were towards the top, if you worked, you were towards the middle or bottom.
 
And people still got the OT.
 
For example I was on the top of the list for years as I worked two weeks for the company and two weeks for the union approximately, give a few take few.
 
And you were charged for any overtime offered if you were eligible.

 

[WeAAsles]

We have 17 stations and 17 different ways on handling how OT is charged and offered. All to accommodate the local need.

We have 50 stations now Bob. Let's stop ignoring that there are two sides to be merged. Both have their own strong advocates for what they want and like.

 

[WeAAsles]

Not at all, I actually agreed with the "equalization" method while in NY, not MIA. We believe it would translate very well throughout the system, however that decision would go to the majority. In order to address issues in different stations, I also believe it is prudent to leave a little room for modification to some of these issues to a local level.

So if you do understand the particular set of difficulties that a guy working in NY faces (Glad you're still a NYer at heart) why would you be against the idea of COLA, GEO or an added stipend for certain locations?

And I never said anything about taking any wages away from other locations. I merely proposed a little extra relief is all.

MIA is getting up there admittedly but it's still financial paradise compared to some other places.

 

[WeAAsles]

Here let me throw this out here.

I worked 20 years in maintenance, we NEVER equaled out or zeroed out the list ever, seem to have worked fine for the 20 years I was there.
 
This kept the list fair and always moving.
 
So if you didnt work, you were towards the top, if you worked, you were towards the middle or bottom.
 
And people still got the OT.
 
For example I was on the top of the list for years as I worked two weeks for the company and two weeks for the union approximately, give a few take few.
 
And you were charged for any overtime offered if you were eligible.

OT is a hot button issue for a myriad of reasons. And it will probably become even more heated this week as I'm sure the company is going to propose the weakest parts of the language in both contracts to present to our guys.

With our earning potential set to dramatically increase you know that the company is going to seek ways to try and offset that.

Good luck this week negotiators.

 

[NYer]

One issue here in MIA I'd like to see addressed is the inordinate amount of time it takes to go through the AOA badge process. I've heard that the Port Authority in NYC is also a nightmare. In DFW the process was much quicker.

That UAL agreement gives their members one hour paid to essentially wait in line. I waited an hour and a half last month.

Again is this an issue that is not as bad in other locations?

 
Then go during your shift.

 

[NYer]

Here let me throw this out here.
I worked 20 years in maintenance, we NEVER equaled out or zeroed out the list ever, seem to have worked fine for the 20 years I was there.
 
This kept the list fair and always moving.
 
So if you didnt work, you were towards the top, if you worked, you were towards the middle or bottom.
 
And people still got the OT.
 
For example I was on the top of the list for years as I worked two weeks for the company and two weeks for the union approximately, give a few take few.
 
And you were charged for any overtime offered if you were eligible.

 
How many shifts were there?

 

[NYer]

So if you do understand the particular set of difficulties that a guy working in NY faces (Glad you're still a NYer at heart) why would you be against the idea of COLA, GEO or an added stipend for certain locations?

And I never said anything about taking any wages away from other locations. I merely proposed a little extra relief is all.

MIA is getting up there admittedly but it's still financial paradise compared to some other places.

 
I'd be against it because others would have to take less. It's the same argument you made about having to subsidize someone's choice to over extend themselves or for a PTer to subsidize the medical costs of a FTer.
 
You're assuming everyone would stay where they are with the higher cost stations getting more, but that same formula could cause others to get less. Aside from that, it is a divisive mechanism and we can point to the AMT's who have, for a long, made that same argument about TUL.