JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[700UW]

700 says if you use insults, you lose the argument.

Kinda like posting misinformation, getting called out on it eight times and running way?

And Tim deserves what he gets, he brings it upon himself and Tim is in epic meltdown mode, I wonder why?

 

[robbedagain]

WeAA. Actually I do believe the pilots have had it in their contracts but I'm not sure any other union signed off even though the donkeys said all groups will receive 5% p.s. if company posts yearly profit. Personally I think it's nice gesture on company part but not at a cost of anything. I do believe we will get a good contract w plenty enhancements. But at what costs. Hopefully it won't look like past deals.

 

[chilokie1]

You push for everything but eventually agree on something. And it seems to me that we already presented our opening proposals to the company but some moron conveniently forgot that I guess?

http://www.usaamerger.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Association-Positions-Proposal-Document.pdf

 
I'am curious, I have never seen a copy of the proposal before even though we have asked 
for one. Has this been released by the ASS or on a local website?

 

[bob@las-AA]

lol. Bob do you miss his comments on your electrical abilities? Here let me try.
Bob if it had been you flying that kite instead of Ben Franklin we'd all be still using oil lamps and I'd probably have a horse in my condo right now.

Nice! Lol

 

[WeAAsles]

I'am curious, I have never seen a copy of the proposal before even though we have asked 
for one. Has this been released by the ASS or on a local website?

It was put out on the Association website when they first started negotiations. Pretty much all information is now posted through electronic means these days instead of paper. Most times when I post a link to something from the past I have to go back and look for it when a topic on anything is brought up. Tim Nelson on this thread has said numerous times that our Negotiators haven't submitted this or that to the company and I kept waiting for someone else to call him out that, yes the Association did present the company with a full proposal pretty much for what we were asking for at the beginning. I got tired of waiting on someone else to do that so.

Anyway it's all still throughout the sites pages.

http://www.usaamerger.com

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAA. Actually I do believe the pilots have had it in their contracts but I'm not sure any other union signed off even though the donkeys said all groups will receive 5% p.s. if company posts yearly profit. Personally I think it's nice gesture on company part but not at a cost of anything. I do believe we will get a good contract w plenty enhancements. But at what costs. Hopefully it won't look like past deals.

We've all had it in our contracts in the past since the concessions in 03. But the company never recorded a profit large enough to trigger a payment. They almost hit it one year and were just a hair shy (I think 07 off the top of my head) The news media did us a favor and basically shamed the company into giving up something since Continental that year doled out an average of $7000.00 to their employees. I received a check for $800.00 that we had to pick up personally for the hand shake and prerequisite photo op.

We all exchanged the PS formula we agreed to in the BK for other items from Parker for the merger. I can't prove it to you through the APA links because they don't have an open source to their contract but here's an article on how they reacted when Parker agreed to a PS plan.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2016/03/25/american-airlines-pilots-plan-disciplined-methodical-review-of-5-profit-sharing-offer/#1e446829272c

 

[Tim Nelson]

WeAA. Actually I do believe the pilots have had it in their contracts but I'm not sure any other union signed off even though the donkeys said all groups will receive 5% p.s. if company posts yearly profit. Personally I think it's nice gesture on company part but not at a cost of anything. I do believe we will get a good contract w plenty enhancements. But at what costs. Hopefully it won't look like past deals.

there is no cost. Period. All other groups already have their contracts, with no negotiations scheduled, and Parker gave it to all of them. Publicly, the stews said they signed off on it. We haven't, WeAAsles is lying. We all should be very uncomfortable with that. We have 6 months before we miss out on this year's profits and although our negotiators aren't professionals, they won't be stupid enough not to present a TA before then, otherwise, we gotta get this asshat organization out of here.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'am curious, I have never seen a copy of the proposal before even though we have asked 
for one. Has this been released by the ASS or on a local website?

BTW Chil can you point out to the members on your thread that it's not exactly a big scandal that they chose to use a "neutral" Mediator/Arbitrator to settle any of the remaining differences and put it all together. There are huge differences between the way seniority is done on both sides for especially your group. And unless those issues were agreed to be decided on at the beginning by a coin toss, I doubt either side would want to move off their personal preference position.

So otherwise unless they went with that third party it would never get done. And of course it's also being done to protect people's elected positions let's not kid ourselves on that. If I was a TWU guy and agreed to go the IAM way maybe cause they bought me a few hookers and dinners (Or just liked their way better) what would happen to me next time the elections rolled around and I ended up on the shop floor? (Sugar in my gas tank)

So no of course I don't want to put my name on something we know is going to piss off a lot of people. Javits would be a better signature to put on there then mine.

 

[WeAAsles]

there is no cost. Period. All other groups already have their contracts, with no negotiations scheduled, and Parker gave it to all of them. Publicly, the stews said they signed off on it. We haven't, WeAAsles is lying. We all should be very uncomfortable with that. We have 6 months before we miss out on this year's profits and although our negotiators aren't professionals, they won't be stupid enough not to present a TA before then, otherwise, we gotta get this asshat organization out of here.

Lying about what? You of all people saying someone is lying? Isn't that a lark or the pot calling the kettle.

I said: Just to clear it up for you yet again (I really wish you were smarter) I said "How do you know that they haven't already signed off on the deal, and just don't need to make a fuss about it"

You seem to be the only one here, on Facebook or from members I speak to on my ramp that continues to ask this question. You're the only one (laughably) out there that is worried that come next March or April we're going to be left out in the cold.

Of all the RIDICULOUS things you write and continue to write this one is one of your bigger doozies.

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW folks I've tried searching and so far the APFA is the only one I can find who publicly put out about the PS "Thank you. Gimme, gimme, gimme that money"

Can anyone find me a link where the APA, CWA, IAM, IBT or TWU put out that same communication?

Again ridiculous to think anyone is going to turn it down, beyond ridiculous. But I'm sure the Association would prefer to get that put into contractual language. Why would they not?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Lying about what? You of all people saying someone is lying? Isn't that a lark or the pot calling the kettle.

I said: Just to clear it up for you yet again (I really wish you were smarter) I said "How do you know that they haven't already signed off on the deal, and just don't need to make a fuss about it"

You seem to be the only one here, on Facebook or from members I speak to on my ramp that continues to ask this question. You're the only one (laughably) out there that is worried that come next March or April we're going to be left out in the cold.

Of all the RIDICULOUS things you write and continue to write this one is one of your bigger doozies.

it became public knowledge, that's how I know. They said that they didn't sign off on it. Not an 'official update' but an email update from one of the negotiators. I'm sure you got the email as well. So stop your nonsense.

 

[WeAAsles]

it became public knowledge, that's how I know. They said that they didn't sign off on it. Not an 'official update' but an email update from one of the negotiators. I'm sure you got the email as well. So stop your nonsense.

Yea right. What a load of malarkey again.

 

[Tim Nelson]

BTW folks I've tried searching and so far the APFA is the only one I can find who publicly put out about the PS "Thank you. Gimme, gimme, gimme that money"

Can anyone find me a link where the APA, CWA, IAM, IBT or TWU put out that same communication?

Again ridiculous to think anyone is going to turn it down, beyond ridiculous. But I'm sure the Association would prefer to get that put into contractual language. Why would they not?

Didn't parker say it was non negotiable and that he was freely giving it? All he needed was for the union to sign off on it. Good question, why hasn't the Association signed off on it?

 

[WeAAsles]

Didn't parker say it was non negotiable and that he was freely giving it? All he needed was for the union to sign off on it. Good question, why hasn't the Association signed off on it?

How do you know they haven't?

You keep throwing that ball Tim and I'll keep hitting it back at you.

"Non negotiable" Nothing is non negotiable. Again I say if that's the way you think THANK GOD you are not at that table representing my interests.

 

[NYer]

BTW folks I've tried searching and so far the APFA is the only one I can find who publicly put out about the PS "Thank you. Gimme, gimme, gimme that money"
Can anyone find me a link where the APA, CWA, IAM, IBT or TWU put out that same communication?
Again ridiculous to think anyone is going to turn it down, beyond ridiculous. But I'm sure the Association would prefer to get that put into contractual language. Why would they not?

Because the accrual could start at the point of signature, not January 1st, as proposed.