JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

He and I have a lot of sim-i-lar views. So what?
Still waiting to hear what has to do with Bluto's insistence on playing dumb.

We still live in a somewhat free society last time I checked? Have a feeling personally that the man is very very bright.

 

[AANOTOK]

We still live in a somewhat free society last time I checked? Have a feeling personally that the man is very very bright.

He may be very very bright, but he seems as though he is going through life "fat, drunk and stupid".

 

[Kev3188]

We still live in a somewhat free society last time I checked? Have a feeling personally that the man is very very bright.

That's an answer to a question not asked.

Nevertheless, I'm sure he's bright; he used to write very eloquently on this very site.

Shame he's decided to devolve into this schtick.

 

[BLUTO]

He may be very very bright, but he seems as though he is going through life "fat, drunk and stupid".

THINGZ R NOT
ALWAYZ AS THY
"SEEM"> ASK
LIL NIELSUN>
HE MADE A CARER
OUT OF IT!

 

[Kev3188]

You "seem" to enjoy acting like a dope when I know you are capable of doing better.

 

[Dog Wonder]

He may be very very bright, but he seems as though he is going through life "fat, drunk and stupid".

That was Kent Dorfman.

 

[WeAAsles]

He may be very very bright, but he seems as though he is going through life "fat, drunk and stupid".

My absolute favorite movie line of all time.

 

[WeAAsles]

That's an answer to a question not asked.
Nevertheless, I'm sure he's bright; he used to write very eloquently on this very site.
Shame he's decided to devolve into this schtick.

Maybe he's just decided not to argue with people who aren't worth it on here anymore? Lots of people on here not worth it you know.

His choice.

 

[cltrat]

you give yourself a little too much credit, I could care less  who you are,For the record I could care less about Nelson  one way or the other. It does seem funny you only show up when it seems like Nelson is being a burr under the union establishments  saddle . I think that's what you said with that dribble anyway

 

[Kev3188]

Maybe he's just decided not to argue with people who aren't worth it on here anymore? Lots of people on here not worth it you know.

His choice.

He's not arguing with anyone.

And even if that's the case, why reappear out of the ether after so long?

 

[WeAAsles]

He's not arguing with anyone.
And even if that's the case, why reappear out of the ether after so long?

Why are you asking me? I don't know the guy. But he seems to be upsetting you IMO.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

My employer and I both know exactly what I'm being paid to do, it's explained in the Ramp Operations Manual and the labor contract I work under.  That's not what I "think", it's in black and white.

The United States became a world power through innovation, not defined limits and inflexibility.
 

Why do you let this arrangement, which you have absolutely no control over, and no potential to benefit or lose from, bother you so much? 

You are making assumptions. I assure you the contracts affect me just as much as they do you.
 
 
 
 
 
You think this is about money?
 
No.
 
What this is really about is the UNION pushing the concept of socialism (under the guise of pay equality) while spewing leftist propaganda and the TWU leadership chasing personal political power using UNION funds.
 
They (the TWU) have people convinced they are underpaid making mid 20's (now $30) working a non skilled labor job with no entry requirements and little training requirements. A job they have made no kind of investment in besides filling out an application and showing up. The TWU sets up an environment where work ethic and expertise have absolutely no value, only your seniority date. People lose all ambition, they simply exist in the workplace. Despite making WAY above the compensation the employee's skill set would warrant (which is nothing) in the real world they somehow feel like the company is screwing THEM.
 
It's been my experience that most of the people that are vocally pro UNION are lazy incompetent people existing on other people's labor. Most people with an actual work ethic could take them or leave them.
 
I support the concept of a UNION but, UNIONs are not UNIONs anymore, they are Democrat propaganda and money laundering machines. That is why they always target your base pay and let your benefits get shredded.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

What this is really about is the UNION pushing the concept of socialism (under the guise of pay equality) while spewing leftist propaganda and the TWU leadership chasing personal political power using UNION funds.

Everything you stand for right WeAAsles?
 
It's no wonder your so vocal about your love, love, love for the UNION.
 
They have been corrupted by socialist and have a captive audience.

 

[Kev3188]

Why are you asking me? I don't know the guy. But he seems to be upsetting you IMO.

I'm responding to your posts.

And yeah; people that play up the idea that we're semi-literate, and act beneath themselves is annoying...

 

[ChockJockey]

The United States became a world power through innovation, not defined limits and inflexibility.

 
You asked what I thought my employer paid me to do and I told you exactly what my employer pays me to.  Really very simple.  Mutually-beneficial legal agreement between parties - known as contracts - and backed by the rule of law; one of many many things that also contribute to American greatness.
 

You are making assumptions. I assure you the contracts affect me just as much as they do you.

 
Couldn't help but notice you didn't bother to elaborate...care to now?
 
 

They (the TWU) have people convinced they are underpaid making mid 20's (now $30) working a non skilled labor job with no entry requirements and little training requirements.

 
So years experience and company loyalty have no basis in compensation.  Got it.  No entry requirements whatsoever, meaning no basic educational requirements, no background checks, no drug testing or anything of that nature.
 

A job they have made no kind of investment in besides filling out an application and showing up.

 
A job where people - especially those working making least - work the worst hours and miss out on family time and holidays because they have to work to make a living.  A job where they risk physical injury, detriment to health, and endure extreme weather conditions in order to get the work done.  Not all investment requires ponying up for some certification, but if you think airline employees don't make sacrifices in order to do the work then you really have no idea what you're talking about.
 

The TWU sets up an environment where work ethic and expertise have absolutely no value, only your seniority date. People lose all ambition, they simply exist in the workplace. Despite making WAY above the compensation the employee's skill set would warrant (which is nothing) in the real world they somehow feel like the company is screwing THEM.

 
I'd say most of my coworkers have a pretty good work ethic, some absolutely love the job.  I also work with some very ambitious people who hold multiple jobs, own businesses, are going to and have finished school, have or have started families, and so on.  They stick around because the UNION provides them with a job that improves the quality of their lives with good pay, medical benefits, flexible schedules, and travel opportunities.  Imagine that - active, ambitious people leveraging a UNION job to their advantage.  What a concept, I'll give you time to pick up the pieces of your mind off the floor. 
 
Some have made a career out of it; they do what they do in the way they're supposed to do it for the agreed-upon compensation and benefits and everyone goes home happy at the end of the day and the company's making money.  (This is where you remind us that the United States somehow suffers as a world power because of this.)
 
Not saying there aren't bad apples, because there are bad apples at pretty much every company, but it's pure hyperbole to say that hard workers and experienced people aren't valued on the ramp.  I want a crew chief who knows what they're doing and knows the job and knows how to deal with managers when they get uppity and nervous.  They appreciate having agents who cover their backs and don't have to be told twice.  It makes all the difference in the world.  People are responsible for their own reputations and people respect guys with years who have seen a lot, have a lot of stories to tell, and lend a steady hand to the operation, not just any old schmuck with 30 years.  They respect people who can act reflexively in the the case of an accident or emergency.  Just because experience and work ethic aren't represented as a line item on the pay stub doesn't mean they aren't valued, aren't practiced, and aren't important.
 
You seem to have in your mind a caricature of the stereotypical lazy UNION worker and are painting all of us with this broad brush.  While this might work for you in whipping up the self-righteous anger you impotently employ in getting across your whiny opinions, it doesn't jibe with the people I know and have been working side by side with for years, the people I have literally shed blood, sweat, and tears with (mostly sweat) and the things we've done, oftentimes going above and beyond what was required to make sure people got where they were supposed when they were supposed to safely and with all their belongings.  That's why you're going to have a hard time convincing people that they - and the people they consider friends and family - should feel ashamed and un-American and lazy because they're making more than La Li Lu Le Lo's arbitrary opinion thinks they should. 
 
That's why the propaganda you spew sounds as vile and unconvincing as that you claim to be fighting.