June - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[OTTER574]

The dynamics of the pilot integration of the TWA into AA were TOTALLY different. After 40 years of animosity and hard feelings, the APA at last found the opportunity to "stick it" to ALPA. Sadly, the TWA pilots were the pawns. ALPA, on the other hand, always looking for a buck, was offering the TWA pilots as an "olive branch" to the APA in hopes that they could get the AA pilots back in the fold...and the dues money filling the trough in Herndon.

There is none of that here. ALPA is not in the picture. There is no doubt that the APA is out for the benefit of the AA pilots, as they indeed should be. Interestingly, the APA was extremely supportive of the efforts by the US Airways pilots to dump ALPA. If anything, the APA and USAPA are "old time buddies."

Yes, USAPA is going to be gone. But I doubt you will find ANYONE at the APA that sees that happenstance as a "squashing," as you nitwits on the west like to call it. It's merely the fact that one union must prevail, and APA has the numbers. (As well you know from experience.)

You really think APA will continue the torch of the maybe soon out of business corrupt usapa? Another question to you.....Do you think as a remote possibility, that APA lawyers might have been following this unfold with usapa's illegal quest. How it relates to the possibly new CBA/DFR?

OTTER

 

[nycbusdriver]

In my contract called the TA, it states that with a joint contract with the company will implement the LEGAL NIC for all LCC pilots.

You still don't get it, do you. THAT TA is going to be null and void in favor of the new TA that includes the AA pilots. The TA is a contract, and like any other, can be renegotiated at any time by the parties involved, i.e. US Airways, APA and USAPA. The nic dies once and for all when that TA is superseded.

 

[Move2CLT]

The nic dies once and for all when that TA is superseded.

Sure thing. You've been right about everything else. :blink:

 

[Move2CLT]

Practice crying.

Show me how. And add that whining too - you guys are experts at that as well.

 

[fodase]

You still don't get it, do you. THAT TA is going to be null and void in favor of the new TA that includes the AA pilots. The TA is a contract, and like any other, can be renegotiated at any time by the parties involved, i.e. US Airways, APA and USAPA. The nic dies once and for all when that TA is superseded.

Null and void? I thought you said it had to be renegotiated, are you starting to get yet clown?

 

[Hawkhunter]

I see anger management classes and/or a medical retirement in your future Hawkhunter.....eastus1 may give you some valuable information going forward, especially the 😉 😉 function... 😛

OTTER

LOL, not angered at all by any of you Westoffs. To young for the other so keep trying. It seems you guys can insult us all you want however, we are suppose to kiss your arss. Sorry to say it is the likes of you who live on this site and actually believe what you type. Keep trying boys.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Show me how. And add that whining too - you guys are experts at that as well.

No. Watch the PHX May Pilots Crew News. THERE are the expert whiners. Parker was clearly embarrassed for those two nitwits who actually fly airplanes for him.

 

[Claxon]

Give it a try sport, next time you're in the famous AQP usair inherited sim training. Ask questions and learn the aircraft you're paid to fly safely. Most importantly useast1...think outside the box maybe soon out of business usapa has put you in.

OTTER

Remember, the western are sporting an inferiority complex with 1549. Otter thinks the engines will work just fine when the blades are destroyed and the core blown out. Orenstein assured them of these things when he raised them to work for the Franke operation.
Never mind the NTSB investigation, this Otter is above all, a consummate professional, and he most likely would have missed the geese to start with. I would imagine TOGA power most likely would have completely blown what was left of the engines, as they could not produce the power they were commanded at the lower settings.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Null and void? I thought you said it had to be renegotiated, are you starting to get yet clown?

Yes, idiot. In the renegotiations, the old TA will become NULL AND VOID.

(Oh, why doesn't the FAA require a high school diploma for an ATP? Of course, PHX would be a ghost town, then.)

 

[Hawkhunter]

I did not say ALPA would win by a wide margin...I said it would be close.

My reasoning was not about the furloughed guys and the east f/o's that wanted to steal West jobs....I knew the scabs would vote usapa.

I am talking about the top 1000 out of 2800 active east pilots who went from about to lose their job after 25 years to still being the top of the heap and gaining significant relative seniority. The top 517 plus lets say the east guy that was 1000/2800 who with the Nic became 1150/5400.

It would not have taken the entire 1000 to vote ALPA and then ALPA would have won. In fact the number was closer to like 750 east pilots voting for ALPA and ALPA would have remained.

Like I said....I underestimated how stupid those top 1000 could be thinking they would also gain positions from the West when there were so few if any positions to gain. Further, I bet if they would have known the scabs would cost them 100s of thousands in pay, usapa would be a distant memory of scab Bradford and his union busting lawyer as nothing more than an also ran.

I see you are still angered by all this! I will be nicer so you dont pop and I dont get a "Warning Point" oh my. Seems you can insult and throw out sphew but we have to be more PC with the more softer kind. LMFAO

 

[Claxon]

LOL, not angered at all by any of you Westoffs. To young for the other so keep trying. It seems you guys can insult us all you want however, we are suppose to kiss your arss. Sorry to say it is the likes of you who live on this site and actually believe what you type. Keep trying boys.

Hawkhunter, the western group is by the day realizing the Nic was never implemented, and the USS Nicolau has sailed into the sunset and on to the rocks. They are extremely agitated, especially by the Kirby statements. The only ones who still swear by the Nicolau are the lawyers who urge them on in their billings. The same ones who pushed them into their ill timed suit with Addington. Talk about legal blunders. They even got their judge in Arizona in hot water with that one. Everyone had egg on their faces with that little adventure.

 

[Hawkhunter]

Correct, usair did not liquidate in 2005, it was purchased by AWA.

Of course you would have no reason to be pissed. The Nic is a lotto win for the east. Guys like you going from furloughed with no chance of recall, to quickly recalled, folks like 767one going from about to lose his job after 30 years to keeping his job then dumping on West pilots. Then you have scabs like Colello...they are going to be pissed. Going from furloughed and not working, to not working as a FPL recipient for the scab union. If an AMR merger happens..old scab Dean is getting replaced by one of the 900 AMR pilots who have bypassed recall, but won't once they have furlough fodder like Colello below them.

Yes dear, whatever you say. Uh, sorry I was never furloughed.Keep trying there spanky.LMFAO

 

[Hawkhunter]

That's good. Practice crying. It will come in handy soon.

Good one!

 

[OTTER574]

You still don't get it, do you. THAT TA is going to be null and void in favor of the new TA that includes the AA pilots. The TA is a contract, and like any other, can be renegotiated at any time by the parties involved, i.e. US Airways, APA and USAPA. The nic dies once and for all when that TA is superseded.

I and my hired help get this young man, called AOL....Please by all means do this...as laughter fills the room of your new CBA/APA headquarters and the Company, which last I looked, is party to and currently enforcing the TA. Robert Siegel stated such in front of Federal Judge Silver of late what the companies position is in regards to the TA/NIC...please try and do keep up skippy.

OTTER

 

[luvthe9]

I and my hired help get this young man, called AOL....Please by all means do this...as laughter fills the room of your new CBA/APA headquarters and the Company, which last I looked, is party to and currently enforcing the TA. Robert Siegel stated such in front of Federal Judge Silver of late what the companies position is in regards to the TA/NIC...please try and do keep up skippy.

OTTER

The 9th trumps your idiotic organization, and the meddling lawyer.