I am not sure what policies you are talking about.
Are you saying it is against company policy to post a picture from a union meeting?
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I am not sure what policies you are talking about.
Are you saying it is against company policy to post a picture from a union meeting?
Go watch all the videos of the genius that didn't think it was a bad idea to make a bunch of phone calls from his personal phone and get back to me.
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"Truth is not determined by majority vote."
-- Doug Gwyn
You have to know what integity is before you know where it lies.
You know neither.
I'm no expert but I do know it doesn't include breaking a contract with your coworkers because you didn't get what you wanted.
Jake,
I've seen you rake your east co-workers over the coals but I can't remember any negative comment on our west brothers. I may be wrong, lots of water under the bridge. Since you tend to join the moral high ground crowd, I have a few questions.
1-Do you agree that Cleary was the best guy for west pilots?
2-Do you enjoy and support the various youtube videos that show pilots in US uniforms?
3-Did you watch the video fod posted? If so, do you support what I assume is the illegal use of corporate logos?
Thanks
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Nice work Sherlock. Maybe you should jump all over this and have it investigated.
You might turn out to be a hero.
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Done. Hey, that's what you westies advocate in crew news sessions, turning people in. Right?
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Looks like the ax-wielding Woody Manure is on a tear against the slunt.
CCC RESPONDS TO MS. PARELLA'S CAMPAIGN LETTER!
(Excerpt from LMRDA, the federal law that protects union member's rights!)
" FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND ASSEMBLY.-- Every member of any labor organization shall have the right to meet and assemble freely with other members; and to express any views, arguments, or opinions; and to express at meetings of the labor organization his views, upon candidates in an election of the labor organization or upon any business properly before the meeting, subject to the organization's established and reasonable rules pertaining to the conduct of meetings: Provided, That nothing herein shall be construed to impair the right of a labor organization to adopt and enforce reasonable rules as to the responsibility of every member toward the organization as an institution and to his refraining from conduct that would interfere with its performance of its legal or contractual obligations."
Ladies and Gentlemen of US Airways,
A bit of editorial opinion, based upon Tracy Parrella’s latest campaign letter to us all, from late last week. Just a few days left to vote; I hope you find this light-hearted lampoon to be somewhat thought provoking and helpful to you and your fellow Voters.
Cordially and in Fraternity,
Woody Menear PHL 76i
The following is an excerpt from Parrella’s Campaign Letter:
“...was initially hesitant to address the most recent campaign letter written by my opponent as well as the open letter from the Compass Correction in his support. I do not support negative campaigning, and in fact, I loathe it.
However, I cannot stand idly by while internet newsletters and my opponent, Patrick O’Neill, a PHX based first officer attempt to mislead this pilot group into voting for an unqualified candidate for this important position, as well as attempt to besmirch my reputation. Clearly there is a concerted effort between those two “camps”, a fact that should trouble all East pilots.
I find it very interesting that neither my opponent nor the Compass Correction authors tell you[background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]why a very junior Phoenix based first officer is qualified for a position on the Appeal Board;[/background]rather, they attempt to misinform you with deceptive statements and ask you not to cast a vote for my opponent but rather to cast a vote against me. The politics of personal attack need to stop. You can accomplish that by rejecting their smear campaign and vote for the most qualified candidate.
He is more qualified, because he has not yet proven himself a political hack, a lazy and self-serving career union gold-bricker and besides, the main thing the Appeal Board requires is an open mind and the willingness to study and abide the contract and our Constitution.
[background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]Here’s one of their assertions meant to smear: Did I draft an election protest for the most recent Philadelphia Vice Chairman? You bet I did.[/background][background=rgb(255, 255, 153)] I drafted the complaint because the Compass Correction advocated and campaigned for a candidate who won the election for PHL Vice Chairman by a very narrow margin of the total vote, using an email list that was stolen from the Air Line Pilots Association.[/background] The use of an ALPA email list is clearly a prohibited action during a campaign, in accordance with Department of Labor rules and regulations.
Despite their illegal acts, the Compass Correction and my opponent are now attempting to portray my attempts to shine a light on their misdoings as somehow being improper and unethical.
Is it wrong to insist that everyone adhere to the guidelines established by the Department of Labor regarding conduct during a Union election?
Is it wrong to bring attention to the actions of individuals (Compass Correction) who are clearly guilty, not once but on numerous occasions, and who continue to violate DOL election rules and regulations?
Is it wrong to insist that all candidates in an election adhere to and play by the same rules?
Is it wrong to advocate for and ensure that all Union elections are conducted in a full and fair manner?"
Well, there it is; game, set, match. Parrella drafted a one-sided election protest, on which she would have later ruled; the protest was never filed, ask Tracy why. The last time we’ve seen a Judge that impartial, his name was Judge Wake.
Tracy Parrella is too modest in her Curriculum Vitae: she also wrote the protest appeal for Bill McKee in McKee’s protest of Gary Hummel’s Presidential election. Parrella is one activist and busy little Appeal Board Member. Her hypocrisy would be stunning, if it weren’t so absurdly transparent; Parrella’s version of justice is; her guys always win.....
By the way, The Compass Correction emailing list is a compilation of lists and no one, (save Cleary and Parrella) have ever questioned the legitimacy of our list....besides, one can always unsubscribe, with a couple of keystrokes, from Compass Correction. Parrella’s foul ups tend to stick with the entire pilot group, for decades.
We are still waiting for that Department of Labor investigation into The Compass Correction Coalition. Tracy; here is a solution for you and all US Airways pilots: if you like what the Compass Correction has to say, read it....if not, DON’T READ IT and hit the “Unsubscribe” icon, found at the bottom of each one. In the case of this personal email.....put me on your “Blocked” list....simple, quick and it doesn’t involve weeks of Flight Pay Loss on your part, to effect the solution. WHAT A CONCEPT.
[background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]"...I think not, and I trust that you do as well. [/background]
Election protests usually contain complicated legal issues. Not only does there have to be a violation of the law, but it must also be determined whether or not the violation affected the outcome of the election. Few of us understand the idiosyncrasies in making these determinations because we can’t all be experts in areas that are not our daily focus, but I have spent the bulk of my professional life advocating for and defending the rights of our pilots. In addition, I have extensive experience in a properly drafted complaint. I have performed exactly as demanded by the pilots of this airline who elected me over three years ago. [background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]The actions of the Compass Correction crew are examples of the need for a careful trier of fact who is willing to be analytical, impartial and fearless in the face of personal attack.[/background][background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]"[/background]
So let me get that straight; writing and sending an email news and opinion letter is cause for an investigation....HOWEVER, an ersatz judge of an election protest, writing the complaint for one side, of a two-sided argument, which that writer will later judge, is not in any way improper?
"All candidates MUST play by the same rules and the illegal actions by a few members of this pilot group under the “guise” of transparency must not be overlooked! [background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]We are all free to advocate and support any candidate of our choosing. We are not free to use “union resources” to do so, either the resources of USAPA or the predecessor union ALPA.[/background][background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]"[/background]
"We"...are indeed free to advocate for one candidate, over another.....a sitting member of the Appeal Board is not allowed that right, unless she quits the Appeal Board, to follow her passion for “justice”. I can’t fail to note that Parrella stopped just short of leaving office, (and the opportunity for Flight Pay Loss). No injustice is worth going back to the life of the Line Pilot....especially when one has all that education!
[background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]"The case law is clear and unequivocal on this issue and it is the opinion of USAPA’s attorneys that the use of a stolen ALPA email list by the authors of the Compass Correction is a violation LMRDA and is therefore cause to overturn the Philadelphia Vice Chairman election. Triers of fact are morally and ethically obligated to bring to light illegal behavior. "[/background]
No Tracy..."triers of fact" are to listen impartially to the facts of the case and to render a judgment. Attorneys, or advocates are obligated to bring to light, illegal behavior. I again defend your right to pursue your case against the Compass Correction, or Jamie Weidner, or Gary Hummel...just not while you are the Judge; I am not as learned as you, but even a lowly Penn State (pre- Sandusky) gets that.
[background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]"What societal chaos would exist if triers of fact were prohibited from bringing to the attention of the public an injustice? Are judges, police officers, magistrates precluded from raising issues of wrongdoing simply because of their position? Thankfully the answer to that question is a resounding NO. In fact, these individuals are held to a higher standard than the general population due to their knowledge and experience."[/background]
Even Judges may do what Parrella suggests.....but they must do so in the open and only after they have announced their intentions and recused themselves from judging the instant case...really, it’s common sense.
"My opponent is correct when he stated that he was elected to the Appeal Board. Although the Appeal Board did rule that the recently concluded Appeal Board election should be overturned, I was the lone dissenter. It was my opinion and my opinion alone, that he should have been permitted to take his position as a Member on April 18, 2012. Unlike my fellow Appeal Board members in that decision, I was not swayed by the politics and a desire to maintain control over the Appeal Board during the rerun of this election. This is in stark contrast to my current fellow members on the Appeal Board who exercised their “majority vote” to retain their positions beyond the expiration of their terms so that they could rule on other issues pending before the Appeal Board.
Don’t let my opponent,[background=rgb(255, 255, 153)] a junior PHX based first officer, reap the benefits from the constant infighting that is occurring under our new leadership.[/background] This is the classic “divide and conquer” mentality, and we don’t want to hand them this important Appeal Board position on a silver platter."
“Reap the benefits”??? What a revealing choice of words, on the part of Tracy Parrella. I thought these Union Positions were calls to duty and resulted in more work for the selfless volunteers who are elected? In my experience and by observation of my friends who are currently serving their fellow pilots in high office at USAPA, these guys are working their asses off. “BENEFITS”....what exactly are the benefits of being elected to the Appeal Board, as you see it Tracy? Oh, and by the way; which is more disqualifying in your opinion Tracy; being a “junior First Officer, or being PHX-based?
"Some East pilots are now asking you to vote for my opponent, a Phoenix based first officer with no union experience very few years as a pilot with this airline. Why? Not because my drafting of an election protest is wrong, [background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]but because they are the ones who got caught with their fingers in the cookie jar. [/background]Is this the transparency or plain old politics?"
Who was caught and which cookie jar? We are writing an electronic journal of fact and editorial opinion....apparently opinions shared by many, many loyal readers and voters; again I ask: who was caught? What were they doing? Which cookie jar are you referring to?
"As you are aware, Appeal Board members are elected when they receive a majority of the votes cast plus one, for each specific seat position. It is imperative that every pilot vote for this important election, as clearly a winner will be decided in the first round for Appeal Board Seat #2.
My actions as your advocate, as defender of the rule of law and our USAPA Constitution and as a careful jurist make me the most qualified candidate to continue to represent you on the Appeal Board. My impartiality may have irked some, yet that is precisely the critical quality required for your Appeal Board.
I can be reached via cellular phone at (412) 716-1130 or email at tlparrella@hotmail.com, for further discussion. In closing, I am seeking your vote as a member of the Appeal Board. I am confident not only in my prior, impartial and thorough work on the Appeal Board but also in the ability to continue such in the future.
I respectfully request your vote. "
Tracy L. Parrella
PHL B76I F/O
CCC RESPONDS TO MS. PARELLA'S CAMPAIGN LETTER!
(Excerpt from LMRDA, the federal law that protects union member's rights!)
" FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND ASSEMBLY.-- Every member of any labor organization shall have the right to meet and assemble freely with other members; and to express any views, arguments, or opinions; and to express at meetings of the labor organization his views, upon candidates in an election of the labor organization or upon any business properly before the meeting, subject to the organization's established and reasonable rules pertaining to the conduct of meetings: Provided, That nothing herein shall be construed to impair the right of a labor organization to adopt and enforce reasonable rules as to the responsibility of every member toward the organization as an institution and to his refraining from conduct that would interfere with its performance of its legal or contractual obligations."
Ladies and Gentlemen of US Airways,
A bit of editorial opinion, based upon Tracy Parrella’s latest campaign letter to us all, from late last week. Just a few days left to vote; I hope you find this light-hearted lampoon to be somewhat thought provoking and helpful to you and your fellow Voters.
Cordially and in Fraternity,
Woody Menear PHL 76i
The following is an excerpt from Parrella’s Campaign Letter:
“...was initially hesitant to address the most recent campaign letter written by my opponent as well as the open letter from the Compass Correction in his support. I do not support negative campaigning, and in fact, I loathe it.
However, I cannot stand idly by while internet newsletters and my opponent, Patrick O’Neill, a PHX based first officer attempt to mislead this pilot group into voting for an unqualified candidate for this important position, as well as attempt to besmirch my reputation. Clearly there is a concerted effort between those two “camps”, a fact that should trouble all East pilots.
I find it very interesting that neither my opponent nor the Compass Correction authors tell you[background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]why a very junior Phoenix based first officer is qualified for a position on the Appeal Board;[/background]rather, they attempt to misinform you with deceptive statements and ask you not to cast a vote for my opponent but rather to cast a vote against me. The politics of personal attack need to stop. You can accomplish that by rejecting their smear campaign and vote for the most qualified candidate.
He is more qualified, because he has not yet proven himself a political hack, a lazy and self-serving career union gold-bricker and besides, the main thing the Appeal Board requires is an open mind and the willingness to study and abide the contract and our Constitution.
[background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]Here’s one of their assertions meant to smear: Did I draft an election protest for the most recent Philadelphia Vice Chairman? You bet I did.[/background][background=rgb(255, 255, 153)] I drafted the complaint because the Compass Correction advocated and campaigned for a candidate who won the election for PHL Vice Chairman by a very narrow margin of the total vote, using an email list that was stolen from the Air Line Pilots Association.[/background] The use of an ALPA email list is clearly a prohibited action during a campaign, in accordance with Department of Labor rules and regulations.
Despite their illegal acts, the Compass Correction and my opponent are now attempting to portray my attempts to shine a light on their misdoings as somehow being improper and unethical.
Is it wrong to insist that everyone adhere to the guidelines established by the Department of Labor regarding conduct during a Union election?
Is it wrong to bring attention to the actions of individuals (Compass Correction) who are clearly guilty, not once but on numerous occasions, and who continue to violate DOL election rules and regulations?
Is it wrong to insist that all candidates in an election adhere to and play by the same rules?
Is it wrong to advocate for and ensure that all Union elections are conducted in a full and fair manner?"
Well, there it is; game, set, match. Parrella drafted a one-sided election protest, on which she would have later ruled; the protest was never filed, ask Tracy why. The last time we’ve seen a Judge that impartial, his name was Judge Wake.
Tracy Parrella is too modest in her Curriculum Vitae: she also wrote the protest appeal for Bill McKee in McKee’s protest of Gary Hummel’s Presidential election. Parrella is one activist and busy little Appeal Board Member. Her hypocrisy would be stunning, if it weren’t so absurdly transparent; Parrella’s version of justice is; her guys always win.....
By the way, The Compass Correction emailing list is a compilation of lists and no one, (save Cleary and Parrella) have ever questioned the legitimacy of our list....besides, one can always unsubscribe, with a couple of keystrokes, from Compass Correction. Parrella’s foul ups tend to stick with the entire pilot group, for decades.
We are still waiting for that Department of Labor investigation into The Compass Correction Coalition. Tracy; here is a solution for you and all US Airways pilots: if you like what the Compass Correction has to say, read it....if not, DON’T READ IT and hit the “Unsubscribe” icon, found at the bottom of each one. In the case of this personal email.....put me on your “Blocked” list....simple, quick and it doesn’t involve weeks of Flight Pay Loss on your part, to effect the solution. WHAT A CONCEPT.
[background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]"...I think not, and I trust that you do as well. [/background]
Election protests usually contain complicated legal issues. Not only does there have to be a violation of the law, but it must also be determined whether or not the violation affected the outcome of the election. Few of us understand the idiosyncrasies in making these determinations because we can’t all be experts in areas that are not our daily focus, but I have spent the bulk of my professional life advocating for and defending the rights of our pilots. In addition, I have extensive experience in a properly drafted complaint. I have performed exactly as demanded by the pilots of this airline who elected me over three years ago. [background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]The actions of the Compass Correction crew are examples of the need for a careful trier of fact who is willing to be analytical, impartial and fearless in the face of personal attack.[/background][background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]"[/background]
So let me get that straight; writing and sending an email news and opinion letter is cause for an investigation....HOWEVER, an ersatz judge of an election protest, writing the complaint for one side, of a two-sided argument, which that writer will later judge, is not in any way improper?
"All candidates MUST play by the same rules and the illegal actions by a few members of this pilot group under the “guise” of transparency must not be overlooked! [background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]We are all free to advocate and support any candidate of our choosing. We are not free to use “union resources” to do so, either the resources of USAPA or the predecessor union ALPA.[/background][background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]"[/background]
"We"...are indeed free to advocate for one candidate, over another.....a sitting member of the Appeal Board is not allowed that right, unless she quits the Appeal Board, to follow her passion for “justice”. I can’t fail to note that Parrella stopped just short of leaving office, (and the opportunity for Flight Pay Loss). No injustice is worth going back to the life of the Line Pilot....especially when one has all that education!
[background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]"The case law is clear and unequivocal on this issue and it is the opinion of USAPA’s attorneys that the use of a stolen ALPA email list by the authors of the Compass Correction is a violation LMRDA and is therefore cause to overturn the Philadelphia Vice Chairman election. Triers of fact are morally and ethically obligated to bring to light illegal behavior. "[/background]
No Tracy..."triers of fact" are to listen impartially to the facts of the case and to render a judgment. Attorneys, or advocates are obligated to bring to light, illegal behavior. I again defend your right to pursue your case against the Compass Correction, or Jamie Weidner, or Gary Hummel...just not while you are the Judge; I am not as learned as you, but even a lowly Penn State (pre- Sandusky) gets that.
[background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]"What societal chaos would exist if triers of fact were prohibited from bringing to the attention of the public an injustice? Are judges, police officers, magistrates precluded from raising issues of wrongdoing simply because of their position? Thankfully the answer to that question is a resounding NO. In fact, these individuals are held to a higher standard than the general population due to their knowledge and experience."[/background]
Even Judges may do what Parrella suggests.....but they must do so in the open and only after they have announced their intentions and recused themselves from judging the instant case...really, it’s common sense.
"My opponent is correct when he stated that he was elected to the Appeal Board. Although the Appeal Board did rule that the recently concluded Appeal Board election should be overturned, I was the lone dissenter. It was my opinion and my opinion alone, that he should have been permitted to take his position as a Member on April 18, 2012. Unlike my fellow Appeal Board members in that decision, I was not swayed by the politics and a desire to maintain control over the Appeal Board during the rerun of this election. This is in stark contrast to my current fellow members on the Appeal Board who exercised their “majority vote” to retain their positions beyond the expiration of their terms so that they could rule on other issues pending before the Appeal Board.
Don’t let my opponent,[background=rgb(255, 255, 153)] a junior PHX based first officer, reap the benefits from the constant infighting that is occurring under our new leadership.[/background] This is the classic “divide and conquer” mentality, and we don’t want to hand them this important Appeal Board position on a silver platter."
“Reap the benefits”??? What a revealing choice of words, on the part of Tracy Parrella. I thought these Union Positions were calls to duty and resulted in more work for the selfless volunteers who are elected? In my experience and by observation of my friends who are currently serving their fellow pilots in high office at USAPA, these guys are working their asses off. “BENEFITS”....what exactly are the benefits of being elected to the Appeal Board, as you see it Tracy? Oh, and by the way; which is more disqualifying in your opinion Tracy; being a “junior First Officer, or being PHX-based?
"Some East pilots are now asking you to vote for my opponent, a Phoenix based first officer with no union experience very few years as a pilot with this airline. Why? Not because my drafting of an election protest is wrong, [background=rgb(255, 255, 153)]but because they are the ones who got caught with their fingers in the cookie jar. [/background]Is this the transparency or plain old politics?"
Who was caught and which cookie jar? We are writing an electronic journal of fact and editorial opinion....apparently opinions shared by many, many loyal readers and voters; again I ask: who was caught? What were they doing? Which cookie jar are you referring to?
"As you are aware, Appeal Board members are elected when they receive a majority of the votes cast plus one, for each specific seat position. It is imperative that every pilot vote for this important election, as clearly a winner will be decided in the first round for Appeal Board Seat #2.
My actions as your advocate, as defender of the rule of law and our USAPA Constitution and as a careful jurist make me the most qualified candidate to continue to represent you on the Appeal Board. My impartiality may have irked some, yet that is precisely the critical quality required for your Appeal Board.
I can be reached via cellular phone at (412) 716-1130 or email at tlparrella@hotmail.com, for further discussion. In closing, I am seeking your vote as a member of the Appeal Board. I am confident not only in my prior, impartial and thorough work on the Appeal Board but also in the ability to continue such in the future.
I respectfully request your vote. "
Tracy L. Parrella
PHL B76I F/O
I like Eric's videos. Particularly the one in which he plays the banjo. Making phone calls from his own phone...yep..stupid..and not just because he used his own phone, but also because it was the amateur way of going about what he wanted to accomplish.......making videos, one highlighting his musical talent....a little immature and a tad egotistical...but that is what I like about them.....they are silly jabs at a non-functioning union that is just as immature and certainly has its share of egomaniacs.
Back to Fodase's video...I really do not care for the genre...but I absolutely love the fact that there is all this underlying talent amongst our ranks. Some time ago a poster asked if it looked unprofessional or something like that, to have these pilots carrying guitars on their rollaboards. I know a couple West guys who do this, and even a few who do not, I have heard them play, and if you ever heard them play that guitar you would be blown away with their talent. I am no Lars Ulrich fan or crusader (Metallica drummer who was/is very vocal against copyright infringement and file sharing) but I also do not think Fodase should use others trademarks, so I mentioned that in my post, but I did not want to be discouraging because I like the fact that we have people expressing themselves...though the arts.
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Wasn't Traitors father rgiven preferential hiring over other pilots under the Labor Protection Privisions because he was former Braniff or TWA of something like that???
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Double dog dare you to report me.
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1 No, but I see why some West think so.
2 Some are funny but they are counter productive.
3 No, 15 seconds was all I could take, and no.
I did call Move2CLT an idiot for posting here a message from another East pilot on another board (including using his full name) without permission. Then he lied about having permission.
I also PMed him and told him using the picture of the East pilot involved in the PHX hotel incident has over the line.
No. I think the C18 suit was worse because it went after some that weren't guilty, if that's what you mean.
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