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[UAL_TECH]

In all honestly, does a 25 year mechanic really do that much better of a job than a 5 year one does?

[post="196855"][/post]​

Not all, but most. School doesn’t teach you much other than passing a test.
But who cares, you’ve already made your uneducated presumptions and will realize (someday) that the people who know ‘how’ to put these aluminum tubes in the air have a little more value than you ‘a$$ume’. Yep, things are just rosy at the OSV’s. Thank God these birds have built in redundancy and are very forgiving, but that will only go so far.
As for me, when this gig is over, I’m out! (and I don’t fly anymore; buying me a camper; If I don’t drive, I don’t go!!!)

😛 UT

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[kcabpilot]

There are few businesses that can afford the cost of keeping an employees for his entire working career - particularly when they get older and more costly.

For everything there is a season....

[post="196855"][/post]​

That's lovely WorldTraveler. I've heard that today’s worker must be prepared to change 'careers' several times in his or her life. Don't settle down, don't plant trees in the yard. It would be better to not have kids. Why would a company ask an employee for loyalty or to be part of the team when they have no intention of valuing that employee? How could a company that holds no value in their employees be successful? Is there any desire or intention for a company to be successful today? I don’t think there is. I don’t think there is any brand value or pride in anything anymore. Companies provide products and services for profit but the profit motive has eclipsed everything else.

Does the 25 year mechanic provide any better quality than the 5 year mechanic? What a stupid ass question. How do you think the 5 year mechanic learns what he eventually knows? By trial and error? On the aircraft that WorldTravellers like you ride?

Ualtech is right, there’s no question that safety and quality is being compromised. You probably don’t see a lot of mechanics flying NRSA these days. Me? I still fly but it’s in a little KCAB with the stick in my hand and all of the maintenance issues addressed with NO compromise.

Good luck to you

 

[sastal]

I suppose you went to a school that only took those of average IQ. I changed careers years ago (well, figured out how to make real money).....before it happened, but if you love aviation, you KNOW you don't hop. And that's why so many of us stay with it.

AGAIN, I ask, since when is it a character flaw to be a loyal employee???? (I would especially love to hear from World.....he asked me last week if I was loyal to anything....now he makes it seem as if there is something wrong with being loyal. So which is it World?)

[post="196970"][/post]​

Yes, Notre Dame is definitely for those of us who couldn't get into your school.

 

[Fly]

Too much partying if you think it's a character flaw to be loyal to your employer.

 

[WorldTraveler]

kcab and ualtech,
I knew I could hit a raw nerve. Your response just highlights another major disconnect between airline employees and those in most other US industries. America is a very mobile, unrooted society and the expectations from employers are very much that employees will not stay for the long haul.
It is a rare employer who truly appreciates long service and even rarer to have employees who are willing to give their loyalty for the long term to their employers. It's not a character flaw but it sure isn't expected from either the employer or the employee.
I must say that I am amazed at how loyal airline employees are to the industry and their employers. There is a lot of emotion involved in flying and it obviously can be seen in airline employees devotion to their employees. The smart airlines are those that recognize the rare gift they have been given and return the favor.

 

[rotate]

Oh please, like there is any comparison.

Fight the noble fight huh. Way over the top drama.

[post="196822"][/post]​

Okay. Just give up.

 

[rotate]

I might agree with the sickouts and work slowdowns (depending on the circumstances), but strikes are far from dishonorable and hardly ineffective given the circumstance, particularly in this situation.

You can play your semantic mind games all you want but you will have to paint us a picture of where you are going with this.
For a good picture of fascism, take a look at the government imposed pay cuts at USAir ‘For the good of commerce’!!!
If you want to speak ‘truths’, I got truths for you!!!

So,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, how long have you been a Nazi?
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[post="196708"][/post]​

UAL Tech, please find a former EAL mechanic and ask him (or her) how effective that strike was.

Our choices are limited. Those are the facts.

 

[rotate]

This industry has reached an edge. This is not a 'turning point' because all of these concessions only feed the beast and allow it to continue on the same path. There's only one way to stop it and it isn't with mass sick outs or wildcat strikes hoping to maintain the status quo by bringing your plight to the attention of the hapless customer. The hapless customer doesn't give a rat's ass about your 'plight' or how the company has screwed you. Nobody does.

So, if you get that straight then comes the realization that all you need to do is leave this industry. We should leave it - as is our free right to do so, in mass.

I've heard the 'complaint' by airline management that 40% of their cost is due to labor. Well hell, it's a labor intensive industry now isn't it? If you aren't flying the airplane or fixing the airplane or putting gas in the airplane or selling tickets or tending to the passengers or scheduling the flights or marketing your service what the hell are you doing? Why wouldn't labor be 40% of your cost? I'm suprised it's that low.

We should just leave. It's all over. There's no reason to do this anymore.

[post="196742"][/post]​

I, for one, am not yet ready to give it up, but your reasoning is sound and I applaud your willingness to control your own destiny in a free economy.

Best wishes for your success.

 

[luvn737s]

Every airline employee should be thinking about at least one or two other things they want to do with their life and begin working toward making that second career happen well before the half way point of an airline career. Granted, there are probably some very good people who will never work for some of the airlines that are cutting benefits so dramatically but for many others an airline career is a great way to learn and see the world en route to many creative ways to contribute to the world and enrich oneself.

For everything there is a season....

[post="196855"][/post]​

What a coincidence! I just got off the phone with Princeton admissions and I told them I was off Tues and Wed this week, Monday Tues and Wed next week and Tues and Wed the following week. They said they didn't have any graduate courses in Microbiology that could accomodate such a schedule. I told them that was okay, since I'm flying all nights and flip-flops I 'd probably sleep through class anyhow.

If anyone wants to pursue a career outside aviation, they have to prepare for it before they get into aviation. And if they're smart enough to successful complete such a course, they would be insane to ever get into aviation to begin with.

"an airline career is a great way to learn and see the world"? Sure. You get to see DFW 32 times a month, alternately with such hot spots as St. Louis, Sacramento, and Memphis and maybe you get lucky enough to see the beautiful city of Vancouver: dark when you arrive and still dark when you push back the next morning.

Good advice WT, just extremetly impractical.

 

[UAL_TECH]

UAL Tech, please find a former EAL mechanic and ask him (or her) how effective that strike was.

Our choices are limited. Those are the facts.

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For your 'Edification' I already know several EAL mechanics that sacrificed their
jobs for the benefit of their 'Profession'. Proud Men and Women that took a stand
against adversity. We Airline employees have been enjoying the fruits of their
ashes for many years since.

They know it, I know it, You don't!!!

The question is not of 'how much will it get me', but how much will I loose.
As our pay and benefits are being taken away, when does one say 'ENOUGH'!!!

This round, next round, minimum wage round???

As for me, I'm done with concessions.

I thought of trying to be a member of the negotiations committee,
but decided that a bobble-head rocking 'NO' back and forth woud be just as
effective.

You can 'give up' as much as you desire, but I'm playing 'Custer'!!!

Despite all the waning and wailing, labor has been here before and will be here again.

Like Nancy said 'Just say 'NO'!!!

B) UT

 

[Winglet]

There's probably some validity to the 5 year thing. I think the airline execs over 40 have proven that they're incompetent, feckless, and economic leeches. Let's send them to Walmart to be night stockers.

 

[casual rat]

I don't think Airline Execs would be qualified to be night stockers. There'd be nothing to steal, and they couldn't look in the mirror and cut themselves in a cost cutting maneuver. It's all they know.