LGA Expansion

[wings396]

Who the hell cares, you are obsessed with this crap to the point of insanity. I don't know of any company cheerleaders that go close to your extent, and I'm talking about active employees, and yes I know several at Delta.
So Delta is king in NY, does that make you sleep better at night, or do you even find a way to sleep with all of this excitement in your life?
I have just been sitting back and enjoyed watching Kev and Jim give you a well deserved beating. You've got incoming from all directions now, and I can see that they are wearing you and all of your BS down at an alarming rate. How does your significant other deal with you bring right all of the time? Oh, wait maybe explains all of the effort you put in here....

 

[WorldTraveler]

So, I see, you really are bothered by the fact that US gave away 1/4 of the slots at the nation's largest business airport to a competitor that is actually using them and not flying 20 flights/day to PHL and clogging up NYC airspace with turboprop aircraft.

If you aren't interested, move on.

I don't come here to beat anyone. I come here to discuss issues and I use facts to do so.

If you'd like to contribute something of significance, jump right in.

Once again, you demonstrate that, in the absence of being able to contribute to the discussion, you engage in character assassination.
Says far more about you than me.

 

[wings396]

No, Unlike yourself I don't keep score of who has what, who is bigger, better, gave up whatever, gained here, lost there, etc.
What US "Gave-up", or what DL gainded has no effect on my life whatsoever, but apparently it puts a rise in your shorts bigtime.
I, along with most others find it pathetic that you will go to the extent you do to proclaim everything Delta, when you are no longer employed by them. Hell, you cheer more for Delta than Anderson does, so who's the fool here? I don't need to add anything, due to the fact the the other posters have shot you and your rhetoric as full of holes as a piece of swiss cheese. Your "Character", if you can call it that begs for assassination, and your getting it from all angles. Get a life already instead of living your life for the sake of Delta Airlines. If I could confirm it somehow, I would have to swear that you were "Brainwashed" at some point in your career by Delta.
Perhaps you should "Move on", and pay someone by the hour to talk to you Mr.Delta.
You have established yourself as a pro-management, anti-union person, which is very typical of a Delta Dreamer.

 

[WorldTraveler]

If it doesn't bother you, then why do you really care what anyone else says.

If it doesn't interest you, then move on.

I didn't start this thread but I responded to information that others posted and corrected the facts. If others don't want someone coming behind them correcting incorrect information, then don't say it.

What you really want is the freedom to call this airline industry "yours" so you won't be called on the strategic blunders that US has made... and I suspect that the slot deal will be one case where US will have walked away from something that they couldn't make work and yet a competitor can..... kinda like DL can operate a flight from US' former hub at PIT to Europe but US couldn't figure out a solution not only to keep the hub to keep a flight that the community obviously wanted.

No, this board is not the domain of active employees or those who want to complain about how poorly their employers treat them - unionized or not - and about employees arguing about which union would better protect their interests. THAT is what 90% of the content on airlineforums is about.

Apparently it is ok for airline employees to argue among themselves including trashing their own mgmt for their strategic blunders but if someone else from the outside points out the obvious, the guns all turn outward.

 

[wings396]

Call the industry mine, now that's funny. I can assure you that unlike yourself my life is not consumed by the industry. I believe that Delta gets a little kickback for that PIT fit as well. Most NORMAL people dont get wrapped up in a company such as you do unless they own it. I really dont have to go very far out of my way to prove a point, as most see you as the Nutjob that you are with your obsession for Delta...
Carry on Worldly T....

 

[WorldTraveler]

Whether PIT Is operating under a subsidy or not - and I am pretty sure the subsidy long expired - doesn't change the fact that US could have operated the route itself but either couldn't line up the support to do so or have the foresight to recognize the strategic value in the route at the same time that it rejected its lease for the PIT terminal.

I don't really care how anyone sees me on here..... I am here to debate the facts of the industry and not the anti-employer sentiment that runs through the course of 99% of the rest of the posts on this board.

You and anyone else should not be surprised if I become the DL mgmt loving, anti-union spouter of DL BS since that is how you want to label me.

Or you could recognize that, perhaps, DL made a very good strategic move - that just like the refinery might take a little time to verify if it will work out as intended but so far looks like it will be a major game changer in the industry.

But since you can't admit that someone else might be right, I'll just carry on w/ the list of strategic blunders US and others have made that have left the barndoor wideopen for DL.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Or you could recognize that, perhaps, DL made a very good strategic move - that just like the refinery might take a little time to verify if it will work out as intended but so far looks like it will be a major game changer in the industry.

Just be sure to keep leaving so much wiggle room in your "facts"...

Jim

 

[blue collar]

What does spectator think?

 

[wings396]

He's still sleeping, but should be up at anytime now.
That whole scenario should tell everyone something about who we are dealing with....

 

[Kev3188]

What does spectator think?

Ha!

 

[WorldTraveler]

Spectator is of the same mindset as I.... those who try to turn every discussion into a management vs. labor discussion obviously do so because they don't have the bandwidth to discuss the industry thru any other lens.

The topic is about DL's LGA expansion and more specifically several market cancellations with a question of where the slots would be used.

By the 3rd post, Wings wanted to turn the discussion into a personal attacks and then said that essentially LGA would never win a NYC passenger over EWR despite the fact that there is an abundance of evidence showing that LGA and JFK, not EWR, draw more NYC passengers - including Manhattan - than does EWR.

a couple pages later, and the post has deteriorated to yet another pi78ing match because a few people think that if DL does anything good and someone else recognizes it, they must be a management suckup and thus against labor.

That line of thought is not only ridiculously tortuous but if even partly true provides me with a an abundance of ammo to use since DL has a pretty long track record of strategic successes at the expense of its competitors.

If you want to participate in topics about what is happening strategically in the industry, feel free to do so - just bring along facts to back up your position - because strategy isn't driven by opinions or bias.

If you want to talk about labor, then bring along the facts that either support those positions or recognize that there are areas are not black and white - or at least all of the facts are not in.

But when people attempt to shoot down strategic successes of whatever company might be involved and then have to resort to personal attacks because there is no logical connection between the two, then they should fully be prepared that I will keep the connection as long as it takes to keep proving them wrong.

Break the erroneous connection and admit that maybe some other airline is making better strategic decisions than your own and then we can discuss labor issues on their own merit.

DL made a strategic decision to become the dominant carrier in the domestic market for now in a market that has been divided close to equally among several carriers for years.
With the slot deal, DL now is the largest domestic carrier in the NYC market - including EWR - by a factor of more than 15%.
In the largest market in the country where there are many corporate contracts, DL's ability to challenge the CO/UA hubs dominance of the region for more than a decade is not inconsequential.

 

[LD3]

It must be hell typing with one hand...

 

[WorldTraveler]

It's actually because I can use two that I knock 'em out so quickly.

Relevant to the topic, some B6 employees are supposedly saying that they have seen a noticeable dropoff in business passengers between cities in the NE and JFK due to DL's addition of jets - even RJs - to LGA.
Could have validity since B6 is saying their RASM is expected to fall between 3 and 4% for the month of September.

 

[wings396]

Either way, your fascination with Delta is absurd. Why anyone would be so consumed and excited about what ANY company does is beside me. So what Delta has done this and that strategic stuff, big deal. What's your return on it? I guess that you were one of the people too blinded to realize that you WERE nothing more than an employee number to your beloved Delta Airlines, and if you believe differently you truly are a fool. Talk to some of the retirees that they screwed over, and maybe that will open your eyes. I know people who work and have worked at Delta, and I can assure you that they paint a much different picture than you do. It's very apparent that you are trying your best to impress someone at Delta with all of your rhetoric. From what I have heard, they know who you are, and their not all that impressed.
Keep it up though Timmy Boy, and maybe someday Richard will humor you and take you aboard as his personal limo driver. I can just see him now jumping out of the car once you fill him in with all if your industry expertise....

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

It's very apparent that you are trying your best to impress someone at Delta with all of your rhetoric. From what I have heard, they know who you are, and their not all that impressed.

I would expect them to be more concerned as to the motives of this person as you or me.

It is somewhat disconcerting that someone on an Internet chat board is that defensive and obsessive with all things Delta.