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Relevant to the topic, some B6 employees are supposedly saying that they have seen a noticeable dropoff in business passengers between cities in the NE and JFK due to DL's addition of jets - even RJs - to LGA.
Could have validity since B6 is saying their RASM is expected to fall between 3 and 4% for the month of September.

So the guy who has spared no word count over the last few days trumpeting facts, quantifiable data, etc. is now trafficking in hearsay... or rather a post from A.Net that was itself hearsay. Interesting.

You could've at least mentioned where you saw it at...



...And before it's mentioned, yes I saw your use of the words "some," supposedly" and "could."
 
FWIW, hurricane Irene went through the NYC-BOS corridore last year which caused extensive cancellations and very full flights that did operate. In other words, Irene artificially pumped up B6's RASM last year which would cause a tough comparison period for this September. A 3-4% drop in RASM YoY is not much when B6 saw double digit RASM growth last year - they could still eke out double-digit growth this month.

Just another example of how "facts" can be maniuplated...

Jim
 
If the hurricane was the issue, then there won't be a trend and what B6 has faced won't be seen in futureis years.

I am simply noting via B6's own public press release that they expect a dropoff in their RASM in the coming month. They didn't say why and probably won't until the quarter is over. The data is industry standard. It isn't manipulated if I am quoting exactly what they said. But of course it makes a better sound bite by trying to argue that point.

Whether a few B6 employees said things to a person who twisted them around or not doesn't change the fact that DL is putting jets - and often two class RJs - in markets where US flew turboprops and that is certain to have an impact on the market. B6 stimuated those markets with mainline jets from JFK. All DL has to do is charge fares from LGA that cover their costs and they could move alot of passengers that B6 carried and US obviously didn't care about over to DL.

DL hasn't forgotten that B6 is a major domestic competitor from NYC.

Of course there remain some who in this discussion don't have the capacity to discuss those facts and instead divert their attention to attacking the messenger but that is not unexpected.
In the absence of being able to discuss the subject, their only recourse is to attempt to belittle someone else in a feeble and ultimately failing attempt to prove their own self-worth.
But it doesn't change what is happening in the markets.

From publicly available sources, it certainly appears that DL's loads in the NYC to NE markets are strong.... there is no doubt that DL is moving passengers to DL that previoiusly flew on other carriers.
 
http://www.anna.aero...k-market-share/
With its additional capacity at LaGuardia, Delta will this summer become the single biggest carrier (in terms of capacity) in the New York area, passing Continental. However, if Continental’s figures are combined with those of its merger partner United, then Delta is still in second place. American Airlines just holds off JetBlue for third place, while British Airways remains the leading foreign airline serving the three major New York airports.
http://www.anna.aero...s-at-laguardia/
In 2011 Delta ranked second among carriers serving the three main New York airports (JFK, LaGuardia and Newark) with a total of 20.37 million passengers, beaten only by Continental with 23.31 million thanks to its base at Newark. Counting only domestic passengers Delta (16.05 million) just beat Continental (15.72 million). Delta’s traffic was split across all three airports with 11.43 million passengers at JFK, 7.15 million at LaGuardia and 1.64 million at Newark.
If you want to participate in topics about what is happening strategically in the industry, feel free to do so - just bring along facts to back up your position...

DL made a strategic decision to become the dominant carrier in the domestic market for now in a market that has been divided close to equally among several carriers for years.

With the slot deal, DL now is the largest domestic carrier in the NYC market - including EWR - by a factor of more than 15%.
Point of Order...According to the facts....

1. Delta is in second place/ranked second/number 2 in the three main New York airports (JFK, LGA, EWR)

2. Counting only domestic passengers Delta (16.05 million pax) just beat Continental (15.72 million pax).

Therefore, counting only domestic pax, Delta's 16.05 million pax is only 2.1% greater that Continental's 15.72 million pax.
 
Based on publicly available data to date, I have said exactly the two things that you said.
There is no public data available yet to show that DL has become the #1 domestic airline in NYC based on passenger boardings - and I didn't say they had.

DL's current domestic seats offered from all 3 NYC airports is 17% larger than what UA offers from the same 3 airports. Obviously, it will take time for the FLOWN data that coincides with DL's current capacity to become publicly available.

BTW,
your data is suspect in that CO does not have any remaining existing capacity yet the charts show CO and UA both having capacity in August 2012. The data you cite, unless you are using a different source, does not distinguish between international and domestic seats.
 
WT, you just don't get it do you? Nobody gives a ratts arse about all of this Delta BS besides you. While you may think that you appear to be some superior airline know it all, you continue to make a fool of yourself on a regular basis. All of your razzle dazzle page long posts filled with your version of the facts are a joke. Go have a beer and a burrito with spectator, and enjoy yourselves. Maybe his brother Dicktater will join you.
Carry on....
 
No, you don't get that I don't really care what you think and will continue to post if for no other reason than to irritate the crap out of you.

The fact that you are so obsessed what I do and are unable to contribute to the discussion should send up more than a few warning signs - so I'm glad you put it in writing so everyone can see.
 
Ah, yes, Kev , the big picture. The one few around here seem to be capable of seeing. The one that wings doesn’t want anyone to see. The one that he has desperately tried to keep away from public view.
The big picture that started almost a decade ago when he jumped on the bandwagon with his boss and most everyone else at US who decided that they were going to “Make Delta my ####” in their failed takeover attempt.
And that wasn’t some former US management team, wings. It is the current one.
But Delta, like me, doesn’t keep score. They just have spent the past five years going after one US market after another and growing DL’s franchise regardless of who stood in the way.
Remember the CLT-SLC route that US thought they were going to launch? DL didn’t take US’ bluff and started the route while US caved. One more route for DL out of US’ most important hub.
US burned its bridges in PIT while DL walked in and started a route to Europe and then DL added LGA service to make it clear who really wanted the money of PIT airline passengers.
US has made one strategic blunder after another. DL just happened to be smart enough to walk through the doors that US thought they had boarded up.
And then 10 months ago when AMR entered BK, wings parroted the message of his boss that industry consolidation is needed and that a US merger was the best outcome for AA. Other than all the paid media and analysts-for-hire, no one with half a brain really believed that US could really do anything for AA given US’ decade long track record of wilting at the hands of its larger competitors – not the least of which has been Delta Air Lines.
So, it is no surprise that people like me knew that a takeover of AA would never solve US’ strategic problems – the ones his fearless leader has spoken about for a decade including that US can’t obtain fares on par with its larger competitors.
Regardless of whether US succeeds at a merger with AA, DL and every other competitor aren’t about to sit on the sidelines waiting for US to put AA back together again now that at least some AA employees seem dead set on destroying their airline even while trying to call it a statistical fluke – as if AA mgmt isn’t capable of reading the same threats those people have made for months about burning the place down.
DL recognized that breaking out from the crowd at LGA was necessary if it wanted “to win” in NYC so they fought for 2 years –longer than it takes to get approval for a merger – to get the LGA/DCA slot deal approved.
Did wings or parker really think that DL was going to sit by while US blew about becoming the largest airline on the east coast? DL focused its efforts on the largest market for just about every city on the east coast, specifically LGA.
Now as evidence begins to pour in that DL might have pulled off yet another strategic victory at US’ hands, the worst thing that wings wants to hear is that DL is winning at US’ expense – yet again. Add in that US’ handover of slots is allowing DL to win against other carriers and US' gains at DCA cannot possibly comprare to DL's in NYC and US’ strategic failure is even harder to defend.

wings has been trying to do everything possible for years to shut me down and prevent me from shining the glaring light of truth on the airline and management team that he for some strange reason still has loyalties.

It is REALLY only about the content, the facts, and the strategy. All the personal attacks are merely window dressing that wings is trying to use to cover up the fact that US probably just handed DL the gun to use to finish US off once and for all and wasn’t smart enough to figure that out.

This industry is all one high stakes chest game that I love to watch play out. Maybe it's all those soccer games I go to, Kev, that keep my competitive juices flowing. No, I am not going anywhere.

I’ll be here to post every bloody detail about how the ongoing competitive battle between US and DL esp. as a result of the slot swap.

THAT big picture.

Don't let wings or anyone else try to convince you there is any other picture in this industry or that I care about.
 
Oh so if delta wins you must get some big payoff, like a profit sharing check?
 
I think wings is close to putting him over the edge!!!!
Anyone that posts as much as he does is already over the edge. Admitting that you created another user name to counteract things that go against your main user are an indication that one should seek mental help. WT likes nothing more than to post here, as he has no life and
thinks that this is a way to be heard by the aviation world. The masses have seen thru his sham, and they are speaking out
 
I will obtain absolutely nothing if DL gains anything and will lose nothing if it fails to do so.

Attempts to state that I have something to gain could not be further from the truth.

WT likes to follow the airline industry and to discuss the strategic and financial aspects of the industry. I happened to "pick a horse" in this race almost four decades ago that continues to succeed at what it set out to do.

WT also doesn't care about what you think, wings. He along with those masses are not the least bit ignorant of the multi-year match that has been going on between us. They also aren't surprised that your only choice to stay in the game is to slander your opponent. Like I haven't seen it before.

If I wanted to be heard, I would use my real name and reveal other aspects of my identity but instead I have jealously guarded them and kept them off this forum I intend to continue doing so.

If character assassination is the only tool you have left in your arsenal, you carry on with that tactic.

I'll keep focusing on the business of the airline industry in the posts I make here and won't really be too worried if I say something factual that offends you or anyone else.
 
Yes, you moron you shine the truth, and nothing but your version of the truth. The fact that you go back as much as 10 years to recall what I or anyone else posted confirms that you are a Whacko. You may want to check your dates again on the US/ DL attempt, as I think that was less than 10 years the way I do my math.
Fwiw, you don't really irritate me, as I have taken you as nothing more than a babbling idiot for years. Your version of the facts and so called truth are of no value to anyone but yourself. Once again, IF you were such a gem at Delta, I'm sure you would have made it to Andersons side along the way, but you didn't. All you have left is your keyboard down there south of the border along with your friends Spectator and Dicktater. Blowing your own horn 24/7 indicates a lonely boy begging to be heard. At least with all of this negative attention, you have some.
Carry on.
 

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