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Quick question what did WIN mean in 1976? It's what Carter inherited.

You can't dump it all on Gerald.

Volcker playing with interest rates ended up causing a deep recession in the 80's and it took Ron Reagan to trickle it back into health :lol:

Remember..Carter had a growing deficit of 66 billion :lol:

Carter earned his legacy.... :down:
 
You can't dump it all on Gerald.

Volcker playing with interest rates ended up causing a deep recession in the 80's and it took Ron Reagan to trickle it back into health :lol:

Remember..Carter had a growing deficit of 66 billion :lol:

Carter earned his legacy.... :down:
Actually Dell, 1976 was the first election I could vote in. I voted for Ford because it took balls to pardon Nixon and get the Congress back into the business of running the country. But since the "loan program fo po deadbeat folks" began with Carter, one still has to wonder why we didn't see a rash of foreclosures over the past 30 years. Why did this wait until legislation was introduced that appealed to the greed of those packaging and selling "product" in the form of "sub prime" loans? In almost every case where you deregulate an industry you bring out the greedy folks sniffing a profit...let's look at a few industries that have been deregulated and who "benefited" the most...Airlines - Frank Lorenzo. Electricity - Enron. Finance - Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers. Yep..Frank's out of the airline business, Enron exists no more and Bear and Leahman are trying their damndest to collapse the American economy. But Frank and those other execs have all said "deregulation has be berry berry good to me". In other words...legislation that appeals to the greed of the "ruling class" usually ends up screwing everybody EXCEPT the ruling class.
 
Unintended consequence of the original program...like many other well intended programs the government institutes.When they draft a bill....wouldn't it be prudent to do some long term research?
How many programs have ended up being raped by the greedy?
And you and I pay for it twice.
 
To attribute this mess to a President who held office thirty years ago has to be the dumbest thing that I have read on this board. And I have read some dumb things.

Loose credit checks and low interest rates are what caused this. When I bought my house in 1991 I paid 89,000 for it. it stands to reason that since 1930, when it was built, it's value increased slowly but surely.

But the poor credit checks and easy money artificially raised property values( as did fast money from the dot com era) and the stupid house is now taxed at 400,000. That's property tax value-not market value which is usually higher. So what ever happened, occurred in the past twenty years-not thirty years ago!
 
Check some of your own posts.....


😛 Good one!

Say, did you hear we're bailing out Wall street to the tune of 1 trillion dollars? Add that to the trillion we owe China.

With as many people unemployed and /or bancrupt, no capital gains to tax this year, all the good jobs sent overseas and the wealthy with tax shelters in other countries, I wonder how we will do this without raising taxes? I think I WILL vote for McCain now.
 
Check some of your own posts.....


😛 Good one!

Say, did you hear we're bailing out Wall street to the tune of 1 trillion dollars? Add that to the trillion we owe China.

With as many people unemployed and /or bancrupt, no capital gains to tax this year, all the good jobs sent overseas and the wealthy with tax shelters in other countries, I wonder how we will do this without raising taxes? I think I WILL vote for McCain now.

I'm looking forward to seeing IOUSA asap.
 
To attribute this mess to a President who held office thirty years ago has to be the dumbest thing that I have read on this board. And I have read some dumb things.

Started by Carter

In the 1970s, activists in Chicago and across the country brought strong pressure on banks to lend equitably to all those in their communities.
By the mid-1980s, community groups had successfully negotiated CRA lending, investment, and service commitments that focused on the needs of low-income and communities of color from banks and savings and loan institutions. These early agreements signaled the possibilities for success to other groups across the country.

CRA advocacy intensified in the 1990s with major CRA commitments. In 1992, Bank of America made a $12 billion commitment associated with its acquisition of Security Pacific Bank. The funds were committed for increased lending in affordable housing and economic development and for increased services for low-income consumers. Specific dollar and targeting goals were made for housing, small business, and consumer lending. New products were developed to serve the needs of low-wealth communities. Services were made easier to access by requiring only one form of identification and a small deposit to open a low-cost checking account.

Clinton

All of this suggests that Clinton’s efforts to increase minority access to loans and capital also have spurred this decade’s gains. Under Clinton, bank regulators have breathed the first real life into enforcement of the Community Reinvestment Act, a 20-year-old statute meant to combat “redliningâ€￾ by requiring banks to serve their low-income communities. The administration also has sent a clear message by stiffening enforcement of the fair housing and fair lending laws. The bottom line: Between 1993 and 1997, home loans grew by 72% to blacks and by 45% to Latinos, far faster than the total growth rate.

Can I say.....DUH? 😱
 
And again, All I can say is "Where were all the foreclosures then if this act is the cause of todays problems"? Anybody? Buehler?

A rolling snowball needs time and distance to grow my friend.

I'm sure if you check they are there but in smaller amounts at the start.....there was a lot of looking the other way down the road as the snowball kept getting bigger and bigger.
 
A rolling snowball needs time and distance to grow my friend.

I'm sure if you check they are there but in smaller amounts at the start.....there was a lot of looking the other way down the road as the snowball kept getting bigger and bigger.
True enough...but 30 years?????? So let's say that 30 years ago the snowball started rolling. Just prior to Christmas break in 2000, along comes Phil Gramm and offers up a Christmas present in the form of a cliff, changing the snowballs downward trajectory from 20% to 75%.
 
It's wasn't 30 years ago---it was started few short years ago under the term called "subprime" thanks to the liberal policy permitting individuals who couldn't afford, afford regardless of means. This is fact, cause and effect, not 30 year old policy.
 
It's wasn't 30 years ago---it was started few short years ago under the term called "subprime" thanks to the liberal policy permitting individuals who couldn't afford, afford regardless of means. This is fact, cause and effect, not 30 year old policy.
Then how come my local paper, just a month ago, had a front page article on folks in million plus dollar homes were facing foreclosure? Define "a few short years ago"....if it's over 10 years, they please explain why there were not a rash of foreclosures, even back then. And if you want to use dell's "rolling snowball" theory, please explain the events that occured that made folks who previously were able to make payments on their homes suddenly begin defaulting.
 
True enough...but 30 years?????? So let's say that 30 years ago the snowball started rolling. Just prior to Christmas break in 2000, along comes Phil Gramm and offers up a Christmas present in the form of a cliff, changing the snowballs downward trajectory from 20% to 75%.


All I'm saying is if you read the info...Carter started a well intentioned program...looks like Clinton pushed the envelope Bush got involved ,the Fed and the GSE's got going and here we are.Somewhere down the line there was impetus to get monies out to about anybody and our well intended feel good program becomes a nuclear issue for the country.
 
All I'm saying is if you read the info...Carter started a well intentioned program...looks like Clinton pushed the envelope Bush got involved ,the Fed and the GSE's got going and here we are.Somewhere down the line there was impetus to get monies out to about anybody and our well intended feel good program becomes a nuclear issue for the country.
The "feel good" issue really had nothing to do to it. The bundling of mortgages provided a "product" for "investors" to "sell". And the goal of every sales force is "more more more". So...how do we get more? Why we begin using the programs for the low income folks to our advantage...WE don't care if they can't pay...WE don't care if what we are selling them goes against their own best interest...all WE care about is that we have some "product" that we can turn right around and sell. We get our money and the sucker that bought my "product" is gonna get stuck when they rot. It wasn't a government program that marketed to folks "consolidate your debt" and touted 4% loans...they didn't even have a fast talking disclaimer in the ads stating the the rate was only good for 5 years and would adjust WAY up. They didn't tout that the loan was "interest only". They just sold "get rid of credit card debt" (read that as "borrow more than your home is worth) and "lower your house payment". These were marketed to folks who didn't understand "negative amortization" or "adjustable rates".

The right likes to blame the folks these loans were marketed to as the problem...but think about this...there have been thousands of folks with an MBA who fell for the "Nigeran e-mail scam"....and you want to blame some poor guy who only wanted a lower house payment for the problem? A helluva lot of guys with MBA's were perhaps the worst abusers of the "your home is an ATM" mindset....and THEY got into the same situation as the poor bloke who only wanted a lower rate. Yet you all tend to blame the other guy for "not reading what he was signing".

And because the government got out of the "regulation" business, there was NOBODY except some "socialist liberals" who were trying to prevent the markets from taking advantage of the populace in the first place.
 

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