Mda To Republic

[Light Years]

Already the 190 is scoped out, which is the size of an F100, DC9, or 737-200. Next is the 195 which is a couple seats short of an A319 or 737-300.

The title of this thread should be "90% of mainline flying to be outsourced", and the second line, "USA320Pilot supports it until next month when he's gone."

 

[elixir]

In regard to the MDA pilot transfer issue, it's my understanding the EMB-170 non-CEL pilots are considered "furloughed" US Airways pilots, but with all rights afforded them, thus this is not a Metrojet type of operation.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Interesting new perspective on staffing..."rent-a-pilot" if you will. Curiously transparent door at the airline..."they fly for us, they were furloughed, and "recalled" to MDA which is the AAA certificate, but "they're still considered furloughed"

How can any right thinking person buy this crap? Oh yes, were not dealing with "right thinking people"

Classic example of the twisted logic that defeats us all...with ALPA actually buying this.
With a "friend" like ALPA, who needs enemies? Seems like the lines between the company and ALPA continue to blur.

 

[Light Years]

Where does this all leave the F/As (who are all furloughed mainline)? Do they go "me-too" with all of this? They are active mainline employees as well.

 

[BlackOps]

Is it true that the MEC's behind the scenes position is that the MDA CEL pilots were never "active" AAA pilots, and therefore are not entitled to the flowback provisions of LOA 91?

 

[elixir]

If I understand 320's comments, the answer would be YES. And that seems impossible as MDA is only a "division" of the Airways certificate. A separate certificate would make it a little easier to understand. Boomers' comment about the union "making you understand your own demise" is dead on target. I guess they could sell ice to eskimo's with that logic. If the union had made it clear that the poor saps who believed that MDA was the "step thru the door" back to mainline were only "temps" at best, few would have gone...only to get smashed again..and hopes and dreams evaporated...again.

Pathetic.

 

[vsi0]

EMB-170 flying was not offered out of senority! They went through the list - always starting at the top. If you declined, then the company would call the next person in order. Now, the fact that it made it all the way to '99 senority for Captians lies squarely in the laps of the pilots that turned down the position when it was offered to them. The same goes for the former ALG/PDM pilots, being used as First Officers. If the most senior 300 guys had taken the job when first offered then it would only be a handfull '99ers on property now and no ALG/PDM.

I know there are guys stuck in J4J positions but they had a seat lock with the possiblity of extensions. Those guys knew that - and they made the best decision with the information present at the time.

As far job and position goes - we have both and we should be treated as such. Just like Rico, I wonder if they are slicing the throats of the crews affected by the reduction in the 60 AC before that actually happens?

If we are shipped off the Republic we will go and continue to do a outstanding job - we won't like it, but we will go. Until that time I AM AN ACTIVE USAIRWAYS PILOT! No amount of spin from the doctors is going to change that fact.

 

[BoeingBoy]

As I've said several times, the concept is simple. Unfortunately ALPA, through complacancy or complicity, has made it into a can of worms....

Let's take a hypothetical example and leave "MDA" and "mainline" out of it. Suppose there were a mythical corporation (let's call it US Airways Group) that owned two separate and distinct mythical divisions (call them Allegheny and PSA). Now suppose that the mythical corporation merged those two divisions, with Allegheny disappearing and PSA being the survivor.

Would the employees who had worked for Allegheny then be considered furloughed PSA employees, even though they now worked for PSA?

Jim

 

[BlackOps]

Whoa Rico! Look who got religion!

Congratulations. It only took you forfeiting 9.5% of your pay (plus benefits) in the first bankruptcy (that was O.K. with ALPA) and listening to your BGM based MECC when he told you to "run for the hills! (MDA), to get a handle on things. To bad that both he and ALPA's lawyers neglected to construct solid language to give you a home just in case MDA went south. ALPA aided and abetted the ALG race to the bottom with your first give back, and then put the icing on the cake when they advocated that the ALG pilots accept the lesser PDT contract. Strength From Within! Never Forget!

And speaking of forgetting... what about the extortion that was J4J? The ALPA president signed it, didn't he? (Now that was one heck of a clue, wasn't it?)

Yada, Yada, Yada...

Maybe your buddy, the former MECC from BGM can call in that standing lunch invitation he claims he got from the current MECC at AAA (that he always brags about), and fix things. Maybe he can hit the speed dial to Duane or Matt and get you a job. Just ask him... he's keeping things clean.... he's talking to everybody! (He got taken for a ride.)

Too bad for your wallet and your career that it took you this long to figure out who your enemies are.

Good luck in future endeavors.

 

[Rico]

Hmmm, game is not over yet Blackops, and unlike the limp ALG ALPA leadership back in the day (that was full of bluster, yet short on results) that should have not been so quick to stomp their feet and screw around (rather than taking care of business and either getting the CRJ-700 flying at ALG, or at least hammering out a more detailed deal for those who in the future DID flow up into MDA)...

WE at MDA are at least trying to get something done rather than just make a lot of noise.

If I remember right, our MEC Chairman back then swore it (the flow up) would never happen, thus the real reason behind the lack of real effort, and thus the lack of solid flow back language IMO is his fault 100%.

Too bad for the PDT guys he was able to come back. Be careful about him, we should have been.

But that is in the past, time to deal with the here and now instead

 

[Winglet]

As I've said several times, the concept is simple. Unfortunately ALPA, through complacancy or complicity, has made it into a can of worms....

Let's take a hypothetical example and leave "MDA" and "mainline" out of it. Suppose there were a mythical corporation (let's call it US Airways Group) that owned two separate and distinct mythical divisions (call them Allegheny and PSA). Now suppose that the mythical corporation merged those two divisions, with Allegheny disappearing and PSA being the survivor.

Would the employees who had worked for Allegheny then be considered furloughed PSA employees, even though they now worked for PSA?

Jim

[post="277318"][/post]​

And this is precisely where Lakefield wants the situation. Archain, confused, obscured, and easy to manipulate. Oh, but I forgot, he's a former naval officer, so I'm sure there's no ulterior motives behind it.

 

[USA320Pilot]

I believe the MDA pilots should not be left out “in the coldâ€￾ and there are things that can be done to improve the situation. I understand the POR will call for the EMB-170s and East Coast Commuter slots will be sold for $110 million per the Republic agreement to boost US Airways' liquidity. The problem: the MDA pilots cannot bid a mainline position unless there is a mainline pilot recall and their positions are being elimianted.

The ALPA MEC is now in session and even though some prolificmessage board posters will not travel to Pittsburgh to help the situation (I imagine they're to busy), the MDA pilots can and should contact their Representatives seeking support. If I were a MDA pilot I would ask the Representatives to bring a late agenda item before the MEC authorizing the formation of an “ad hocâ€￾ committee of MDA pilots to work on the issues through the MEC.

There are no easy solutions to this problem, but two things I do know are complaining about the situation on this message board serves no useful purpose, threatening the MEC alienates the only people who can help the MDA pilots.

There is nothing that can be done about the past and the past does not have to equal the future. There are some things that can be done to help the MDA pilots and I believe the best vehicle to so could be an “ad hocâ€￾ committee.

It's easy to shot "arrows" at ALPA instead of participating in the process, but there are ways to improve the situation and they should be explored.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

P.S. I take exception to those posters who ridicule men and women of the U.S. Armed Forces who provide a great service to our country at a deep personal sacrifice.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Waiting for A 320 to respond to A320 in the Affirmative

Come in 320

 

[ClueByFour]

There are no easy solutions to this problem, but two things I do know are complaining about the situation on this message board serves no useful purpose, threatening the MEC alienates the only people who can help the MDA pilots.

[post="277363"][/post]​

The MEC wants to dump the MDA pilots. To be accurate, the only folks who can help the MDA pilots are their retained legal counsel.

 

[CaptianBoomer]

320:

As usual, all bluster and no substance. Since you have the opportunity to go to the meeting, why don't YOU grace the MEC with a resolution that forbids the MEC from casting the MDA guys aside?

You haven't answered my earlier question about how you would handle this mess. Since you are so full of ideas on why the rest of us are unworthy of knowledge that we are all full of it and you are the allknowing, allseeing savant of U, give us your wisdom. YOUR wisdom, not some cave dwelling ALPA lawyer who will smile and tell you there is no other way (for me to get my $1 mil bonus) unless you lay down in front of the train and take your medicine.

Your PS is all BS.... noone has insulted any member of the armed services for their contributions and sacrifices to this great country. I do question the integrity of those that will gladly lay someone else's career down on the chopping block to either protect their own or lessen their pain.

Remember this. The first horse that left the barn was the 50 seat RJ. Next the 70 seater. Now it is the 90 seater. In two years the 50 seaters will be gone and all there will be is 70-120 seaters. Your job will be outsourced just like mine if you don't wake up. You heard it here first.

Boomer

 

[Mike]

320..Come on over to MDA.