Mda To Republic

[USA320Pilot]

I recognize logic is blinded by emotion, but the MDA jobs are being transferred with the assets to Republic per J4J provisions and the MDA pilots cannot bid a mainline position per the CBA, thus there are no mainline positions for these pilots to currently attain. Do I like this? No, of course not. Who likes furloughs?

It's not being cast aside, it's the contract. I'm going to the MEC meeting after I finish my trip before going home and I have talked to ALPA members about this issue. It's up to the MDA pilots to create the "ad hoc" committee because it's their Division that's being affected.

ALPA is currently trying to negotiate a new MDA contract and to provide job protections and it would help to have pilots join an "ad hoc" committee instead of simply complaining on this message board.

Meanwhile, I understand very, very few if any MDA pilots have attended the MEC meeting and their lack of interest in this issue is perplexing at best.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[Walmartgreeter]

The ALPA MEC is now in session and even though some prolificmessage board posters will not travel to Pittsburgh to help the situation (I imagine they're to busy), the MDA pilots can and should contact their Representatives seeking support. If I were a MDA pilot I would ask the Representatives to bring a late agenda item before the MEC authorizing the formation of an “ad hocâ€￾ committee of MDA pilots to work on the issues through the MEC.

Uhhh. I thought proper representation was what dues paid for. And, since when did travel out of base to attend such a meeting, after flying 95 hours of hard time, determine the quality of said representation? You are letting your hate of BB cloud your logic. If you feel so strongly about the MDA plight, then why are you, yourself, not proposing the adgenda item? Perhaps it does not affect you either way. Please tell me, in what job, are you currently working for ALPA at US? I, myself, simply pay dues. BB answers my emails the same day whan I have questions about bidding or court filings. Why, of all people, would you choose the most well spoken and informed pilot on this board to quabble with? Go figure. Mark.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Greeter:

I believe there are issues with a certain poster and my point has been made, but it serves no useful purpose to rehash them.

Separately, every pilot can attend a MEC meeting and they do, when they believe it's important enough to give up their personal time, otherwise like today there were only 2 rank-and-file pilots in attendance.

BoeingBoy had some good points regarding public information and I believe he could attend the meeting and address the MEC and the advisors, if he really wanted them to know his argument.

Meanwhile, I'm going to the meeting on my next day off and if the MDA pilots are upset about the transfer of their aircraft to Republic, the status of the ongoing MDA pilot contract negotiations, and their ultimate disposition they should attend the meeting too.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[BoeingBoy]

That's OK. There'll be a little resolution tomorrow and we'll see how some of the MEC members respond....

Jim

 

[elixir]

320

Has it occurred to you that the "rank and file" who have been "orphaned" by their own union...repeat "OWN AIRWAYS union" have lost hope and confidence in that very union?

An old sage once said "past practices predict future ones"...I think thats applicable here.

It is a valid question: with legal representation already "built in" via dues to ALPA, why is it a requisite to attend and pimp for "representation" for MDA and whats around the corner for them? Why is their plight considered any separate from the whole of U pilots?

This "it's just business" is BS. The Union owes EVERY PILOT, active or furloughed, the same respect and attention as they talk about in every "pep rally". It's befuddling to think that in order to consummate this merger, more heads must roll...and lives destroyed...AGAIN.

I should hope that for all the years that U pilots have sacrificed, paid dues with the greatest of hope, and lived through furloughs(several) that it's own union would step up to the plate FOR ONCE and do what is right.

Sadly, I have exceptionally low expectations in this regard.

 

[Bud8EE]

Don't waste your breath. He is only concerned about one head and that is his own. If he wasn't, why doesn't he use his voice at these meeting he so graciously attends to remind the MEC that the 200+ airacraft and 2500 jobs that US AIRWAYS brings to the merger are the rightful career expectation of the MDA and furgloughed pilots, may who had 17 years of active service. The vacancies created by the 1500 retirements in the next 5 years belong to those pilots and not the AWA pilot hired 6 months ago. The obvious answer is that if it places his own ox in any jeoprady whatsoever we will get the old, "do I like these circumstances, NO but our investment banker and x number of analysts say we need this." The fact that his a$$ would be save has nothing to do with it. Simply pathetic.

 

[diogenes]

Wowww, and I thought the intrigue at IAM was like the Medici's!

Parker's position that no furloughed (that is why A320 is representing MDA as furloughed, right?) employee should displace an active one (left unsaid; even if the furloughed employee is senior) now takes on its true meaning, yes?

There is a lot of contract language protecting an employee's seniority in the event of a merger. You are now seeing that pissed on by the very unions who negotiated the language.

Don't worry, ALPA, IAM beat you to it when they pissed on the 600 fleet agents who just got furloughed. Their seniority went in the crapper, too.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Spinning spinning spinning, full throttle, hang on never forget everything I post is right.


Spinning spinning.

What the hell!!!!

we are going left.

I said right dammit.

 

[elixir]

Spinning spinning spinning, full throttle, hang on never forget everything I post is right.
Spinning spinning.

What the hell!!!!

we are going left.

I said right dammit.

[post="277404"][/post]​

I hope I can type, I dont know if I'm laughing or crying....

I believe this is found on page 8 of the Union packet all reps get and have to memorize.

I hear this same #### at the carrier I wound up at after my furlough from U. I had been praying to the Airline Gods that I'd get recalled before I hit 60...sounds like a resounding NO from our enlightened leaders.
I have never been so dissappointed in a "union" as I have been from Deewayne's club.

Ironically, I deal with AWA guys frequently these days, and I keep looking at the "new kids" who are adamant about their position throughout this merger...I wonder, as I fly an RJ for them, what they'd think if I told them what my seniority would be compared to their's.....as if "my" union could give a ####.
Show me the justice in that....


Disparingly forgotten,

former U pilot brinking on personal disaster...again.

PS.......Thanks Deeewayne.

 

[elixir]

Wowww, and I thought the intrigue at IAM was like the Medici's!

Parker's position that no furloughed (that is why A320 is representing MDA as furloughed, right?) employee should displace an active one (left unsaid; even if the furloughed employee is senior) now takes on its true meaning, yes?

There is a lot of contract language protecting an employee's seniority in the event of a merger. You are now seeing that pissed on by the very unions who negotiated the language.

Yes...interesting, isnt it?

I guess "policy" written by ALPA is always "negotiable".

SO, that being said..320, whats the point in having meetings to establish this "negotiable" policy? Or do I have to form an "ad hoc" to ask this question?


Sincerely yours,

kicked in the *alls again

 

[elixir]

320

Remember this. The first horse that left the barn was the 50 seat RJ. Next the 70 seater. Now it is the 90 seater. In two years the 50 seaters will be gone and all there will be is 70-120 seaters. Your job will be outsourced just like mine if you don't wake up. You heard it here first.

Boomer

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Yes, Boomer, you and I both know how this works.

Soon, it will be a total outsourcing of all jobs on all equipment under the veil of "financial necessity"by the company. Ergo, all pilots will be replaced by "cheaper" ones.

And where is our "Glorious Union Leader" in all this? Probably up on a mountain (in Vail, CO ) seeking the burning bush.

 

[elixir]

PS

"see ya in class"

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Meanwhile, I'm going to the meeting on my next day off and if the MDA pilots are upset about the transfer of their aircraft to Republic, the status of the ongoing MDA pilot contract negotiations, and their ultimate disposition they should attend the meeting too.

Regards,

USA320Pilot


To paraphrase..Poor Bastards had better look out for themselves. Sorry, I don't know how else to state it. Mark.

 

[elixir]

Meanwhile, I'm going to the meeting on my next day off and if the MDA pilots are upset about the transfer of their aircraft to Republic, the status of the ongoing MDA pilot contract negotiations, and their ultimate disposition they should attend the meeting too.

Regards,

USA320Pilot


To paraphrase..Poor Bastards had better look out for themselves. Sorry, I don't know how else to state it. Mark.

[post="277419"][/post]​

Exactly right.

Sorry, NO SOUP FOR YOU.

 

[BlackOps]

Hmmm, game is not over yet Blackops, and unlike the limp ALG ALPA leadership back in the day (that was full of bluster, yet short on results) that should have not been so quick to stomp their feet and screw around (rather than taking care of business and either getting the CRJ-700 flying at ALG, or at least hammering out a more detailed deal for those who in the future DID flow up into MDA)...

WE at MDA are at least trying to get something done rather than just make a lot of noise.

If I remember right, our MEC Chairman back then swore it (the flow up) would never happen, thus the real reason behind the lack of real effort, and thus the lack of solid flow back language IMO is his fault 100%.

Too bad for the PDT guys he was able to come back. Be careful about him, we should have been.

But that is in the past, time to deal with the here and now instead

[post="277347"][/post]​

Rico, Rico, Rico...

Made noise?

How about the noise of belts unbuckling, zippers dropping, and ankle grabbing?

I don't recall any ALG MECC swearing that flow-up would never happen. And as far as the 700's or any RJ coming to ALG (or any W/O) that was up to the AAA MEC, not ALG (or have you forgotten who rammed J4J down the W/O's throats).

The AAA MEC decided where the RJs went.

The AAA MEC had, and has the keys to the RJ castle. Not the ALG pilots.

What you fail to mention is the MECC in question did not have a vote. The same 3 representatives who roll-called acceptance of the PDT contract could have voted in any deal they wanted to... but they didn't. Of course, far be it for you to blame your friends and admit you were wrong. You backed the wrong horse.

Nice of you to feel bad when a MECC is terminated for representing a pilot, and then gets his job back. That's the kind of backbone that made trade unions what they are today.

My condolences to you and your friends in management.