Midatlantic Airways Negotiations

[to much time to quit]

The IAM is meeting with the company working on contract negotiations for the nonexistent Midatlantic Airways. AGC Bill Frieberger and CLT grievance chairman Bill H. are currently in DCA or CCY. With all the turmoil surrounding the airbus work, its not sending a very strong message from the union. ALL efforts should be focused on the current employees who will soon be out the door if this issue isn't settled in our favor! Now is not the time to WASTE our resources and cordially meet with the company, until the airbus farmout threat is settled! Yes I know they haven't sent one out yet but the writing is on every wall. This is no way to act in this situation and will only further alienate the membership at the most crucial time when we need to be UNITED TOGETHER. Lets FOCUS on the task at hand!!

 

[Twicebaked]

The IAM is meeting with the company working on contract negotiations for the nonexistent Midatlantic Airways.

LOL... It does exist. I know the average employee cannot see it, but it is there and running. The "behind the scenes" anyway....

 

[xoxo]

Two Much Time to Quit,

MDA is in exsistance...the supervisors are in traing as we speak...so as twiced bake said"it is there and running...behind the scenes".....I just wish they would give us involuntaries alittle more to go on...they really have been as hush hush as much as possible...which can get very stressful..since some of us....well, most of us are wanting to fly and work..... 😉

 

[AP Tech]

I know it makes me wonder....I have been paying dues to the IAM for the past 18 yrs and during this troublesome time when we have many questions to be answered where is our local president?????? And I do not want the answer "that is what a shop steward is for to relay the messages!! Reportedly in DCA negotiating a contract for MDA , an airline on paper soon to hire about 50 mechanics! Just where are his priorities!!! Is the contract for 50 or so $12hr wonders more important than the 2500+ mechanics who will loose there jobs when the Airbus work leaves the property? :angry:

 

[LavMan]

You people amaze me, can you not go to the bathroom without your mom wiping your butt?

The IAM has prepared a response and continues to prepare in case the company vendors out the airbus work, but to this date the company has done nothing, what is the union to do legally when the company has not violated our contract?

The IAM is negotiating a contract at MDA to bring back our furloughed employees, three men at CCY will not make a differance in regards to a situation that has not even occured yet.

You all are the union, not five AGCs, 18 local lodge presidents, and 18 grievance committees, when are you gonna realize you are the real strength of the union and the very core issue of why the union is weak is because you are weak and apathetic. I hear I am not gonna go out on strike if the Airbus gets vendored out,then I pose this question to you:

What will it take from Dave to make you stand up for your work?

How many times are you gonna let the bully punch you in the mouth before you punch back?


And this is not an IAM or amfa issue, this is a worker issue, Dave is pillaging all the labor agreements they signed, him and his gang of thieves have no honor or morals and it is time you people wake up and stop pointing the fingers at everyone else and take responsibility and stand up to them!

 

[deltawatch]

Airbus work and MDA negotiations go hand in hand. Here's the way it works, Dave tells your union he will give them MDA at half current wages, if he can subout Airbus. If not he will fold the airline, our something like that. 😀

Bent over guys ..... the Ivy league boys that use all those big word are in the building! 😛h34r:

😀 😀 😀

 

[LavMan]

MDA and Mainline are two seperate contracts and nothing is being done to change the mainline agreement, in fact MDA is going to arbitration to be settled, nothing to do with Mainline, so keep grasping at straws till you can actually come up with something factual and truthful.

Robert Roach was in CLT yesterday and he informed us we are prepared to defend our airbus work with all legal means under the RLA.

SO try again.

 

[Dark Wrench]

MDA and Mainline are two seperate contracts and nothing is being done to change the mainline agreement, in fact MDA is going to arbitration to be settled, nothing to do with Mainline, so keep grasping at straws till you can actually come up with something factual and truthful.

Robert Roach was in CLT yesterday and he informed us we are prepared to defend our airbus work with all legal means under the RLA.

SO try again.

Isn't that the same guy who stood by and let Dave have his revote?
Were there no legal means last year?

 

[LavMan]

Yes the legal means was to let the bankruptcy judge abrogate your contract and then you are an employee at will.

September 6, 2002 - IAM representatives and advisors met at the request of US Airways today at the carrier’s headquarters in Arlington, VA. US Airways acknowledges that perhaps some confusion developed while the company was meeting with employees prior to the August 28, 2002 restructuring proposal vote over what the consequences would be if their proposal was not ratified by the Mechanical and Related membership.

In a letter that US Airways is mailing to each member’s home, CEO David Siegel asks the Mechanical and Related employees to reconsider the Company’s proposal.

In today’s meeting, the IAM was informed of the following:

1. If the members reject the company’s proposal, US Airways will not ask the bankruptcy court judge to just partially modify your agreement, but will have to ask the bankruptcy court to reject, terminate, abrogate the agreement in full.

2. Once the collective bargaining agreement has been rejected/terminated, US Airways will impose terms for wages, benefits, and work rules as it deems necessary, and will be able to change those terms as it deems necessary.

The IAM is prepared to defend your agreement. However, you must understand that the judge only has the authority to rule on the motion before him, and that motion will not be for modification, but for rejection of the total agreement. The bankruptcy court cannot craft a “compromise deal.â€￾

Based on these facts, District 141-M will hold a second vote on September 17, 2002. The bankruptcy court hearing to reject the Mechanical and Related agreement will be postponed until after the membership has had an opportunity to vote.

The IAM is only asking you to vote based on accurate facts, and not misleading statements and rumor. There should be no confusion going forward. The decision is yours, and the IAM will continue to vigorously represent you, whatever your choice may be.
Sincerely and fraternally,

Scotty Ford
President
IAM District 141-M

 

[A320 Driver]

I know it makes me wonder....I have been paying dues to the IAM for the past 18 yrs and during this troublesome time when we have many questions to be answered where is our local president?????? And I do not want the answer "that is what a shop steward is for to relay the messages!! Reportedly in DCA negotiating a contract for MDA , an airline on paper soon to hire about 50 mechanics! Just where are his priorities!!! Is the contract for 50 or so $12hr wonders more important than the 2500+ mechanics who will loose there jobs when the Airbus work leaves the property? :angry:

I'm curious...how are we going to lose 2500 mechanics when the heavy maintenance on the Buses hasn't even started yet? If we furloughed 2500 more, how could we keep up with what we are doing now?
Are you refering to a possible recall of mechanics to accomplish the AB heavy maintenance?

I just want to fully understand the issues.

Thanks

A320 Driver

 

[Dark Wrench]

Yes the legal means was to let the bankruptcy judge abrogate your contract and then you are an employee at will.

September 6, 2002 - IAM representatives and advisors met at the request of US Airways today at the carrier’s headquarters in Arlington, VA. US Airways acknowledges that perhaps some confusion developed while the company was meeting with employees prior to the August 28, 2002 restructuring proposal vote over what the consequences would be if their proposal was not ratified by the Mechanical and Related membership.

In a letter that US Airways is mailing to each member’s home, CEO David Siegel asks the Mechanical and Related employees to reconsider the Company’s proposal.

In today’s meeting, the IAM was informed of the following:

1. If the members reject the company’s proposal, US Airways will not ask the bankruptcy court judge to just partially modify your agreement, but will have to ask the bankruptcy court to reject, terminate, abrogate the agreement in full.

2. Once the collective bargaining agreement has been rejected/terminated, US Airways will impose terms for wages, benefits, and work rules as it deems necessary, and will be able to change those terms as it deems necessary.

The IAM is prepared to defend your agreement. However, you must understand that the judge only has the authority to rule on the motion before him, and that motion will not be for modification, but for rejection of the total agreement. The bankruptcy court cannot craft a “compromise deal.â€￾

Based on these facts, District 141-M will hold a second vote on September 17, 2002. The bankruptcy court hearing to reject the Mechanical and Related agreement will be postponed until after the membership has had an opportunity to vote.

The IAM is only asking you to vote based on accurate facts, and not misleading statements and rumor. There should be no confusion going forward. The decision is yours, and the IAM will continue to vigorously represent you, whatever your choice may be.
Sincerely and fraternally,

Scotty Ford
President
IAM District 141-M

Ok and if 2003's legal means fail, what are we left with?
Pretty much what dave wanted the first time right?

 

[Smartest Loser]

"MDA and Mainline are two seperate contracts and nothing is being done to change the mainline agreement,"

Lav,

I can't understand your thinking here......

"Nothing is being done to change the mainline agreement..." Oh Lord..just Dave saying he is gonna farm out our work that we have done for 50 years...!!

We are on the tracks and I hear the train, you are the kind of guy that will try to start to car until the very last minute.

The question needs to be "What is the IAM doing to protect the mainline agreement..?? Being 'PROACTIVE". That agreement is the IAM's bread & butter.

If Dave wins, you might as well hand him the MDA agreement and let him rip it up too..!! 😉

 

[Dark Wrench]

I'm curious...how are we going to lose 2500 mechanics when the heavy maintenance on the Buses hasn't even started yet? If we furloughed 2500 more, how could we keep up with what we are doing now?
Are you refering to a possible recall of mechanics to accomplish the AB heavy maintenance?

I just want to fully understand the issues.

Thanks

A320 Driver

The mechanics will be lost when all non airbus a/c are gone.
Per alpa iam agreement 279 a/c.

 

[LavMan]

The union has all ready prepared the legal response and formulated the plans, it was dicussed at the steward's meeting in CLT yesterday, we are ready to react, there is nothing we can do except solidify the membership and take the appropiate action when necessary.

ALPA, TWU, DL 141 IAM-Ramp, are onboard the AFA Is getting ready to join in, but once again, the company has not done anything, just talk about it, we can't do anything until they sign a contract or vendor out the first plane.

What have you done?

 

[deltawatch]

CWA was given the choice, go along with the company and represent future MDA employees at half current mainline wages or management would tank the company and CWA would have no one to pay dues!