More Concessions?

[local 12 proud]

the only place AA could have picked more favorable to concessions than Tulsa would be some place like boonesville, Kentucky.

 

[seed]

What kind of question is that? Haven't you been told? We are "lucky to have a job, brother".

I work around folks that will gladly give up more to have a job in Tulsa with AA.

It is far more popular to be a company suck-ass than a union man willing to take a stand in Tulsa right now.

Just watch.

[post="241071"][/post]​

Then my point is well made about the two unions. It doesn't matter! The native AAers need to have a "gut check". We at MCI are more than likely gone, no big secret. TUL ,after AFW, will be next if AA continues to decrease in size to stay afloat. You only have approx. 1000 more here for a cushion. I do have an exit stradegy, and it does not include this profession, I see no future at AAR or other 3rd party vendors wanting my skill for pittance, they can all rot.

That paragraph went no where. Got a bit carried away with my anger towards the industry. Decision, if they give more concessions then they have themselves to blame. The time to make a stand is NOW, and even now may be to late. My days are limited, but even after I am gone I will stay angry and have direction towards the CEO's and the stockholders who demand we give them more so they have no loss.

 

[Strake]

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Delle Drool

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[AMFAMAN]

Once again, Stroke doesn't have the attention span available to fully quote Dell.

 

[UAL_TECH]

Once again, Stroke doesn't have the attention span available to fully quote Dell.

[post="241219"][/post]​

That would come with the premise that the populaces are a bunch of ignorant dweebs that can not comprehend the context of an article and therefore relies on others to interpret it for them.

Pulling select 'quotes' without context is typical of industrial unions as they rely on an ignorant workforce that cannot think for them selves. (I don’t have to think, that’s what I pay you for.)

Industrial 'UNIONS' capitalize on the ignorance of their 'membership'.

B) UT

 

[jimntx]

Quick question: Do you think the majority will load their toolboxes, in mass, if the company presents us with more concessions?

I'm not talking about the TWU or the AMFA supporters, I'm talking about the general membership at AA, without union instruction. Will they load up to show Arpey it's time to fight?

What excuses will they use? Think hard and answer without using AMFA or TWU in your sentence.

[post="241062"][/post]​

Doesn't matter which union...it would constitute an illegal job action that is a termination offense. I'm assuming here that you would want your job back after a day or two of "showing" Arpey.

If you are talking about just walking off the job forever and ever amen, then I doubt that more than one or two would walk off, much less a majority. The economic realities of this world controlled by Shrub and company for the benefit of the rich label such action as foolish--unless you have a trust fund and just do this job for funsies.

 

[Winglet]

Of course they'll ask for more concessions. That's easy pickin's. The pilots have lots more to give . . . "A" Fund defined benefit plan, "B" Fund defined contribution fund (11% of salary contributed by AMR), plus a lot more pay . . . . and more furloughes. The senior guys will just fly more to make up some of the loss.

The only difference between AMR and some of the other majors is AMR's got more cash in the bank . . . but that's being burned through pretty darn quick. Look for AMR to "reluctantly" come after more concessions to "stay out of bk."

Certainly no good news on the horizon that would make me think pricing power will return, or fuel will decrease in cost. With UAL and U being propped up by the courts, they may be the survivors having beat the rush to the BK courts.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

They will come back for more because they CAN.

 

[MCI transplant]

Doesn't matter which union...it would constitute an illegal job action that is a termination offense. I'm assuming here that you would want your job back after a day or two of "showing" Arpey.

If you are talking about just walking off the job forever and ever amen, then I doubt that more than one or two would walk off, much less a majority. The economic realities of this world controlled by Shrub and company for the benefit of the rich label such action as foolish--unless you have a trust fund and just do this job for funsies.

[post="251797"][/post]​

<_< Oh you of little imagination! What seed is saying is that the only way to break this downward cycle is to say "No more!" the conncessions stop here! One doesn't have to walk out to get that point across! But frankly, I don't believe the a.a. AMT's have what it takes to do this!! Sad, but true!

 

[Hackman]

<_< Oh you of little imagination! What seed is saying is that the only way to break this downward cycle is to say "No more!" the conncessions stop here! One doesn't have to walk out to get that point across! But frankly, I don't believe the a.a. AMT's have what it takes to do this!! Sad, but true!

[post="251821"][/post]​

Well I know one fact among all this BS.......The twu International will not have the stones, concessions are gonna save jobs!!!! Whatdaya think Do-little?

 

[Bagbelt]

I've seen enough votes to know one thing; if you have ten guys pounding the table to vote no, eight of them will then go home and vote yes. I've seen too many clowns grandstand.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

<_< Oh you of little imagination! What seed is saying is that the only way to break this downward cycle is to say "No more!" the conncessions stop here! One doesn't have to walk out to get that point across! But frankly, I don't believe the a.a. AMT's have what it takes to do this!! Sad, but true!

[post="251821"][/post]​

mci transplant,
We tried to say no to concessions but were lied to. We tried to remove the twu, who peddled the concessions, but were denied an election by a corrupt union and company. The AA AMTs have what is needed to do what is needed but when dead people, people no longer employed by AA and people NOT in my craft & class are included on an eligibility list for an election it's pretty hard. Not impossible, just hard. The company & useless twu will learn that this year when we refile with the NMB.
As for doing what it takes, you would not by any chance mean the ability for a group of ignorant buffoons to parade a coffin up a Tulsa street would you?

 

[Bob Owens]

<_< Oh you of little imagination! What seed is saying is that the only way to break this downward cycle is to say "No more!" the conncessions stop here! One doesn't have to walk out to get that point across! But frankly, I don't believe the a.a. AMT's have what it takes to do this!! Sad, but true!

[post="251821"][/post]​

Well the fact is if you took out MCI, the concession vote of 2003 would have failed. Thats right MCI provided the 700 votes that passed the contract.

As I recall the vote from MCI was "Yes" by the widest margin of any station wasnt it?So it looks like MCI is the problem, not TWA AMTs or AA AMTs.

So dont worry about us, just work on your own coworkers there in MCI. By the way the AA AMTs in Local 562 voted NO by well over 90%. I'm confident that even with all the TWA guys that came in we would still get the same results. So its not AA vs TWA anymore, its pig farmers vs the mechanics, just like it was before AA came on the scene.

 

[MCI transplant]

Well the fact is if you took out MCI, the concession vote of 2003 would have failed. Thats right MCI provided the 700 votes that passed the contract.

As I recall the vote from MCI was "Yes" by the widest margin of any station wasnt it?So it looks like MCI is the problem, not TWA AMTs or AA AMTs.

So dont worry about us, just work on your own coworkers there in MCI. By the way the AA AMTs in Local 562 voted NO by well over 90%. I'm confident that even with all the TWA guys that came in we would still get the same results. So its not AA vs TWA anymore, its pig farmers vs the mechanics, just like it was before AA came on the scene.

[post="258025"][/post]​

<_< Bob!----- You can say what you want, but what excuess you going to use when we're gone???Personally I don't think there's ten cents worth of differance between you!!!!Good Luck to all! You'll need it!!!! :down:

 

[MCI transplant]

Well the fact is if you took out MCI, the concession vote of 2003 would have failed. Thats right MCI provided the 700 votes that passed the contract.

As I recall the vote from MCI was "Yes" by the widest margin of any station wasnt it?So it looks like MCI is the problem, not TWA AMTs or AA AMTs.

So dont worry about us, just work on your own coworkers there in MCI. By the way the AA AMTs in Local 562 voted NO by well over 90%. I'm confident that even with all the TWA guys that came in we would still get the same results. So its not AA vs TWA anymore, its pig farmers vs the mechanics, just like it was before AA came on the scene.

[post="258025"][/post]​

<_<"Fact"?, Oh really! Something to think about Bob! Knowing what you know now about how MR. Little and Co. count votes, do you feel that 700 number could be, let's say "exagerated"? Think about it! What better way to get what you want and blame it on the new kid on the block! In 2003 we had close to 1800 AMTs here at MCI! And he's saying it was turned down by 700 votes! Can I prove any of this? Of course not! All I'm saying is you've seen how they handled the representation vote! All I do know is how I voted! And that was a "Hell No!"------ Something to think about!-----Signed:" Just another one of a.a.'s red headed step children!"