More Concessions?

[Bob Owens]

MCI transplant,Mar 24 2005, 06:34 AM]
<_< Bob!----- You can say what you want, but what excuess you going to use when we're gone???


Well we used to blame Tulsa, but after we took out a full page ad in the Tulsa World telling the members what we would be giving up, and what we were getting a good number of Tulsa workers voted No. Certainly more than expected. We didnt have enogh in the Treasury to do the same in MCI so another worker and I flew out there instead.

We got a warm reception from all the Rank & file we met, however the E-board was a different story. They were all in a panic and they took the Internationals word as Gospel. "luby said this, Luby said that, well Luby left. You guys picked em!

Personally I don't think there's ten cents worth of differance between you!!!!

Between me and who?

Good Luck to all! You'll need it!!!! :down:

We need more than luck. We need guys in MCI who voted no to work on their coworkers and get a board in place that is not so gullible, or better yet, fill out and get those AMFA cards in.

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< Come to think of it, I think I do have one of your 562 black hats sitting in my closet somewhere! Believe me there is no love lost on the TWU here! At least not on the floor! But it's no secret, that as of June there will be will be even fewer of us ! Between 350, and 400 more are slated to go. Depending on how many Stand in Steads sign up! There will be a bonch!! Most are just runnig out of steam! Rember they've been through one hell of a lot before a.a., and frankly now just don't give a hoot!!!!That should bring us down to about 900! Things are right on schedule! :down:

 

[Skymess]

Pulling select 'quotes' without context is typical of industrial unions as they rely on an ignorant workforce that cannot think for them selves. (I don’t have to think, that’s what I pay you for.)

Industrial 'UNIONS' capitalize on the ignorance of their 'membership'.

B) UT

[post="241224"][/post]​

If they come for concessions again the FA's will give them even if we don't want to. We didn't want to before and our union decided it for us.

Nothing will change because the losers I work with voted in the same people who did this to us before.

Some people never learn. I should start looking at what kind of things I can cut out of my life right now so that I am not so bent out of shape this time when they do the same thing. I should probably also start looking around for alternate means of employment because I don't really think there is anything else I can cut out of my life unless it involves food or toilet paper. Both aren't options.

 

[FWAAA]

If they come for concessions again the FA's will give them even if we don't want to. We didn't want to before and our union decided it for us.

Nothing will change because the losers I work with voted in the same people who did this to us before.

Some people never learn. I should start looking at what kind of things I can cut out of my life right now so that I am not so bent out of shape this time when they do the same thing. I should probably also start looking around for alternate means of employment because I don't really think there is anything else I can cut out of my life unless it involves food or toilet paper. Both aren't options.

[post="258598"][/post]​

As if the vote really matters anyway.

If you vote yes, you cut your pay.

If you vote no, the bankruptcy judge cuts your pay. Notice how that's been the case at UAL and USAir?

Why would it be any different at AA?

 

[Decision 2004]

As if the vote really matters anyway.

If you vote yes, you cut your pay.

If you vote no, the bankruptcy judge cuts your pay.  Notice how that's been the case at UAL and USAir? 

Why would it be any different at AA?

[post="258914"][/post]​

Maybe the results would the same or even worse.

But there is something to be said for the Peoples right to a legitimate vote. At least that is what Arlington National Cemetary is supposed to be all about.

So yes, maybe the results would be the same, but to claim the "vote" doesn't really matter is pretty lame coming from a supporter of a carrier named AMERICAN AIRLINES. Maybe we should change the name to "No Right To Vote Airways".

Maybe we should remove your right to vote in a Stock Holders Proxy, and the Company and the Company Union will now decide who the leaders are and the direction of the corporation? B)

 

[UAL_TECH]

As if the vote really matters anyway.

If you vote yes, you cut your pay.

If you vote no, the bankruptcy judge cuts your pay.  Notice how that's been the case at UAL and USAir? 

Why would it be any different at AA?

[post="258914"][/post]​

If your position is 'substandard' and your contributions are insignificant then you are defeated, regardless of your contributions.

B) UT

 

[Wretched Wrench]

If you vote yes, you cut your pay.

If you vote no, the bankruptcy judge cuts your pay.

But first, you gotta decide if they're bluffing.

.

 

[Flyboy4u]

Let the Judge Decide...In Bakruptcy the books will open, up and the world will know the real truth....and you thought Enron was a big deal...You haven't seen anything yet!!!


What Unity?

 

[Hackman]

Let the Judge Decide...In Bakruptcy the books will open, up and the world will know the real truth....and you thought Enron was a big deal...You haven't seen anything yet!!!
What Unity?

[post="259020"][/post]​

It looks to me that most of the judges are bought today by big business. Corporations go cry poor mouth, and bang....the working people pay the price for the greed, corruption, and ineptness. Of course manAAgement is always above board, they are never wrong nor do they make mistakes. Its always labors fault for the red ink.

Pulling together, winning together? I think not. :angry:

 

[mweiss]

...In Bakruptcy the books will open, up and the world will know the real truth....

And what "real truth" is this?

 

[Hopeful]

And what "real truth" is this?

[post="259089"][/post]​

Possibley things are not as dire as portrayed in order to continue raping employees!

 

[FWAAA]

Maybe we should remove your right to vote in a Stock Holders Proxy, and the Company and the Company Union will now decide who the leaders are and the direction of the corporation? B)

[post="258933"][/post]​

Touché. 😀

Well, if that happened, I'd simply decide whether to stay or to go - nobody's forcing anyone to remain a stockholder.

Much like the behavior of each and every AMR employee who suffered the concessions in 2003: each and every day, they vote on whether to continue to suffer the pay and benefit cuts, and on balance, most continue to come to work despite the "no-vote" concessions. Nobody's forcing them either, and most continue to stay.

God Bless America. 🙂

 

[Bob Owens]

As if the vote really matters anyway.

If you vote yes, you cut your pay.

If you vote no, the bankruptcy judge cuts your pay. Notice how that's been the case at UAL and USAir?

Why would it be any different at AA?

[post="258914"][/post]​

Of course it matters.

If you vote yes to cut your pay there is nothing you can do about it. You are stuck with the cuts for the term of the contract and however long the NMB allows them to drag out negotiations once the term is up.

If the Judge cuts your pay you can strike and anything he imposes is only in effect while the company is in BK.

 

[eolesen]

If the Judge cuts your pay you can strike and anything he imposes is only in effect while the company is in BK.

[post="259216"][/post]​

Whether or not you can strike is still up for debate, since there's no case law on this. US Airways created the case law for a S1113 arbrogation, but didn't get to the point of making a judge decide if the right to strike was permitted when a contract is arbrogated under the bankruptcy code.

But you're definitely wrong about the second half of your statement.

The S1113 imposed contract isn't replaced until there's a new contract negotiated. That could be months or even years after a company exits from bankruptcy.

 

[Hackman]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...rlines_unions_4

Do-little; "We're not inclined to talk about any more concessions"

At least not until they have a sceered Do-little parrot the: "We were heading straight to Chapter 7"!

BOHICA!!!!

How many years of twu concessions does this one make? :down: :down: :down: