More EMB-190s to replace 737 for 2008
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According to the July 26 East code-a-phone the US Airways ALPA MEC passed a resolution involving the separate operations dispute originating from the Transition Agreement. The AWA MEC has not recognized that a separate operations dispute exists between the Association and the Corporation, and refuses to address the dispute resolution language drafted by ALPA National. The resolution passed by the MEC states:
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the AAA MEC requests that the Executive Council rule on the dispute between the two ALPA parties in the matter of the filing of a dispute against the Corporation to maintain separate operations as stipulated in the Transition Agreement, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that upon resolution of the dispute between the two ALPA parties, if resolved as sought by the US Airways MEC, the Association will file the dispute resolution language drafted by the ALPA National Representation Department seeking to ensure that separate operations be maintained between the two ALPA parties, and
BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that separate operations be maintained between the
two parties as prescribed in the Transition Agreement.
USA320Pilot comments: The AWA MEC actions continue to pour gasoline on a fire and increases the East pilot anger. This anger keeps moving the two pilot groups further apart, reduces the possibility of a joint contract, and increases the East pilot resolve to fight the Nicolau Award.
The East pilots would like a pay raise, but if necessary, they appear ready to decertify ALPA; as well as live under LOA 93 for a very long time. According to a recent comment in the press by the AWA Communications Committee Chairman an East ALPA decertification, which is gaining momentum, would delay joint negotiations by about 2 years.
In the company's earnings analyst conference call management discussed the pilot seniority integration issue and indicated:
• The pilot contract is delayed because of seniority integration issue. We'll do what we can to facilitate this, but it's an ALPA-to-ALPA issue.
• The right thing to do is to pay everybody the same.
• We budgeted for $122 million at this time, but they're not using it and probably won't
be using it, even at the back end of the year.
• You want to have people making the same money.
• None of the other labor groups have close to that cost discrepancy. Little cash is
required for other groups to reach parity.
• "Not running a good operation is extremely expensive."
From the comments above it appears management does not anticipate a joint contract, they indicated the "right thing to do is pay everybody the same", and "not running a good operation is extremely expensive."
Lyle Hogg indicated in the last Crew News that management understands what is going on with the majority of the East pilots conducting 3-engine taxi, inflight APU use, and other programs and "it's hurting the company." Furthermore, management told Wall Street and the News Media "The right thing to do is to pay everybody the same."
Will these thoughts change the dynamics? I do not know, but what they have done is increase the East pilot groups resolve for "equal pay for equal work" and to keep the two pilot groups separate, forever!
Regards,
USA320Pilot
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the AAA MEC requests that the Executive Council rule on the dispute between the two ALPA parties in the matter of the filing of a dispute against the Corporation to maintain separate operations as stipulated in the Transition Agreement, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that upon resolution of the dispute between the two ALPA parties, if resolved as sought by the US Airways MEC, the Association will file the dispute resolution language drafted by the ALPA National Representation Department seeking to ensure that separate operations be maintained between the two ALPA parties, and
BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that separate operations be maintained between the
two parties as prescribed in the Transition Agreement.
USA320Pilot comments: The AWA MEC actions continue to pour gasoline on a fire and increases the East pilot anger. This anger keeps moving the two pilot groups further apart, reduces the possibility of a joint contract, and increases the East pilot resolve to fight the Nicolau Award.
The East pilots would like a pay raise, but if necessary, they appear ready to decertify ALPA; as well as live under LOA 93 for a very long time. According to a recent comment in the press by the AWA Communications Committee Chairman an East ALPA decertification, which is gaining momentum, would delay joint negotiations by about 2 years.
In the company's earnings analyst conference call management discussed the pilot seniority integration issue and indicated:
• The pilot contract is delayed because of seniority integration issue. We'll do what we can to facilitate this, but it's an ALPA-to-ALPA issue.
• The right thing to do is to pay everybody the same.
• We budgeted for $122 million at this time, but they're not using it and probably won't
be using it, even at the back end of the year.
• You want to have people making the same money.
• None of the other labor groups have close to that cost discrepancy. Little cash is
required for other groups to reach parity.
• "Not running a good operation is extremely expensive."
From the comments above it appears management does not anticipate a joint contract, they indicated the "right thing to do is pay everybody the same", and "not running a good operation is extremely expensive."
Lyle Hogg indicated in the last Crew News that management understands what is going on with the majority of the East pilots conducting 3-engine taxi, inflight APU use, and other programs and "it's hurting the company." Furthermore, management told Wall Street and the News Media "The right thing to do is to pay everybody the same."
Will these thoughts change the dynamics? I do not know, but what they have done is increase the East pilot groups resolve for "equal pay for equal work" and to keep the two pilot groups separate, forever!
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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The resolution is crapola! The Company will tell ALPA to go pound sand - they will merge certificates in Sept.
If you ask me, if the east really does not want a joint contract your best legal option is to simply vote down any TA that is presented. That will assure the list remains in limbo for some period of time. Unfortunately, the options you are pursuing have not been agreed to in the TA and thus will ultimately fail, costing your pilot group plenty of $ and years of anguish.
If you ask me, if the east really does not want a joint contract your best legal option is to simply vote down any TA that is presented. That will assure the list remains in limbo for some period of time. Unfortunately, the options you are pursuing have not been agreed to in the TA and thus will ultimately fail, costing your pilot group plenty of $ and years of anguish.
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We in the wild wild west live by the rules of law governing our Country. The end-game and rules are spelled out in that legally binding document called a TA, and the option USA320 is advocating clearly is in breach of that agreement. I have absolutely no expectation the east MEC will honor that agreement - pathetic. :down:
True dat, A320!
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Callsign,
Callsign said: "Unfortunately, the options you are pursuing have not been agreed to in the TA and thus will ultimately fail, costing your pilot group plenty of $ and years of anguish."
USA320Pilot coments: This is what the majority of the AWA pilots do not get. The vast majority of East pilots, with the number growing daily as members of the top 500 retire and are replaced by recalled pilots, are not anguishing and support the MEC's action.
There is more solidarity today than I have ever seen within the East pilot group. It's tremendous seeing the solidarity and virtually every pilot supports the MEC.
The East would rather see pay increases due to upgrades, reserves becoming blockholders, commuters being able to bid the base of their choice, and more widebody flying than to have their seniority taken away and a joint contract approved -it's really that simple.
Some of the East pilots may see some short-term pay loss by not getting a joint contract, but they are seeing significant improvements in quality of life especially by not having to go to "Pref Bid" and keeping the current bidding system, the AIL (Bid Sheet), SAP, RTBS, & Secondary Line bidding in pace, among other things.
By not letting the Nicolau Award be implemented the East is seeing a significant improvement in quality of life, pay raises, and movement up the seniority list.
The East will fight the Nicolau Award tooth-and-nail and can legally tie the award up for at least 7 years and maybe more because it is in their best interests to do so.
Who do I believe is the real loser? The AWA pilots because it is quit likely that new hire pilots will get to take advantage of the massive East attrtion while the West pilots remain fairly stagnant in PHX/LAS for maybe as long as a decade.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
Callsign said: "Unfortunately, the options you are pursuing have not been agreed to in the TA and thus will ultimately fail, costing your pilot group plenty of $ and years of anguish."
USA320Pilot coments: This is what the majority of the AWA pilots do not get. The vast majority of East pilots, with the number growing daily as members of the top 500 retire and are replaced by recalled pilots, are not anguishing and support the MEC's action.
There is more solidarity today than I have ever seen within the East pilot group. It's tremendous seeing the solidarity and virtually every pilot supports the MEC.
The East would rather see pay increases due to upgrades, reserves becoming blockholders, commuters being able to bid the base of their choice, and more widebody flying than to have their seniority taken away and a joint contract approved -it's really that simple.
Some of the East pilots may see some short-term pay loss by not getting a joint contract, but they are seeing significant improvements in quality of life especially by not having to go to "Pref Bid" and keeping the current bidding system, the AIL (Bid Sheet), SAP, RTBS, & Secondary Line bidding in pace, among other things.
By not letting the Nicolau Award be implemented the East is seeing a significant improvement in quality of life, pay raises, and movement up the seniority list.
The East will fight the Nicolau Award tooth-and-nail and can legally tie the award up for at least 7 years and maybe more because it is in their best interests to do so.
Who do I believe is the real loser? The AWA pilots because it is quit likely that new hire pilots will get to take advantage of the massive East attrtion while the West pilots remain fairly stagnant in PHX/LAS for maybe as long as a decade.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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Thanks for the concern but I don't think most West pilots ever had any intention of leaving either PHX or LAS anyway. The fact that there will be more movement on the east side of this company is a moot point for most around here.
The seniority arbitration results helped ensure that there would be protection for those out West who did not want to see a continuous flow of pilots who would be able to basically come from a furlough status into a left seat position in PHX or LAS in a short period of time.
badger
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I had the opportunity to visit a Cabin Door Training simulator company last week - How on earth do the F/A's cope with what is the most complex, confusing door ever made?
Any users out there want to comment?
Any users out there want to comment?
badger
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badger
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As I understand it, the door is Armed/Dis-Armed as you stated. However, is the Arming lever hidden behind a flap and then complimented by several green and a red 'windows', which includes the green even when the door is Armed? I understand from our talks with JetBlue, is that they have suffered a high frequency of ISD's. Also, Embraer is looking at redesigning its doors. Are the doors different on the 170 to the 190?
They are the same.
Are Jet Blue's ISD's caused by FAs?
It takes 2 hands to arm/disarm these doors. One to hold the flap and one to move the arming/vent flap levers.
