MRO Outsourced Maintenance

[Hopeful]

I know that, but a deviation is a deviation, and who is to say that one deviation is less worthy of a fine than another?... Deviation doesn't necessarily mean unsafe. It just means that the process wasn't approved and/or that someone made a judgement call.

And again, my point is that as long as you have humans (licensed or not, experienced or new, in-house or 3P) looking at mechanical objects, there are going to be deviations, mistakes, and lapses in judgement.

That's the point..The FAA never specified the spacing "on center." Wasn't a deviation.

I can tell you that many AA published procedures were probably written by lawyers. Too many of them are left open to interpretation. And when a mechanic interprets the GPM his/her way, the company may interpret it another.

The bottom line is that it only becomes a concern until an unusual event occurs.
And if it is truly a deviation, and as long as, as you have stated, humans will make mistakes, that does not constitute shoddy maintenance.

Where AA has every imagineable equipment to properly maintain and service an aircraft, some 3p shops will improvise due the cost of that equipment.
A couple of years ago OSHA stepped in mandating "FALL PREVENTION" steps and equipment to be installed in both stations with hangars and those without. AA spent a pretty penny on the equipment and training everyone.
But yet, drive around the field and see guys working non-skeds for 3p contractors hanging out of cherry pickers 4 stories in the air on a 747 tail without a harness!
They don't care about personal safety. Do you think they care more about the proper maintenance on an aircraft?

 

[Bob Owens]

I know that, but a deviation is a deviation, and who is to say that one deviation is less worthy of a fine than another?... Deviation doesn't necessarily mean unsafe. It just means that the process wasn't approved and/or that someone made a judgement call.

And again, my point is that as long as you have humans (licensed or not, experienced or new, in-house or 3P) looking at mechanical objects, there are going to be deviations, mistakes, and lapses in judgement.

Not really, thats like saying a violation of the law is a violation, so going 56MPH is as bad as going 100MPH. Varying the spacing by 1/8 of an inch is different than using the wrong tooling.

The problem with outsourcing isnt due to the mechanics, its the structure, policies and objectives of the employer and the conditions that all creates. The fact that they usually take on any work they can get, even if they arent proficcient at it and lack the proper tooling. Thier objective is to make a profit doing the job, when airlines do it in house the objective is usually more quality orientated. To the vendor every penny put in is expense that cuts into the profit, with inhouse its looked at as an investment that will make the plane more reliable once it returns to revenue service.

It will be interesting to see what the root cause of all the Delta engine shutdowns turn out to be.

 

[paul1]

aar hiring 200 in IND they are a mro

any word from jack kane, I'm hearing he doesn't even want to give the new propsal to the company

what was the value of the 2008 propsal

 

[Hopeful]

aar hiring 200 in IND they are a mro

any word from jack kane, I'm hearing he doesn't even want to give the new propsal to the company

what was the value of the 2008 propsal

Not what I heard. TWU and company will meed in a couple of weeks with Kane. My understanding is that company will have a proposal as well...But who knows,.,,

 

[telebender1956]

For all practical purposes TULE has become an MRO and not an independent AA operation. We recently switched to the FAA 8130 instead of keeping the one that has been approved by the FAA for the last 17 years.Take note that AA SWITCHED to meet MRO Standards and not the other way around.Our signature on this FAA form does not even require an employee number and it includes the AA Repair Station Certificate Number.The managers in the hangars are taking away the AMT's personal chairs and storage cabinets in the tool box storage areas[recently Hangar 5].The CAM director and manager over several work areas recently abolished 4x10 work shifts and flexible shift starting times. We had been doing this for several years and it was working well.TULE is now an Full fledged MRO whether or not AA has told you so. Folks, AA is on the the Fast track to wipe out A & P's at TULE in favor of un-licensed LOW WAGE workers who can sign off the paperwork without an A & P.The TWU is on-board with them because they are still part of the 'Working Together" program.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Not what I heard. TWU and company will meed in a couple of weeks with Kane. My understanding is that company will have a proposal as well...But who knows,.,,

They may well have a proposal but the time for being "reasonable" ended for me quite some time ago.

I can be as big a butt as the corporate idiots - the 2001 contract is the starting point with full adjustment for inflation. Anything else is a non-starter and I'm not a bit interested in it. The week of ALREADY EARNED vacation is to be returned plus interest on the pay. I'll take a bonus week of VC or two weeks pay - either will work.

Brundage getting crushed under 10 tons of bricks sounds like an excellent idea as does Arpey and Horton committing HariKari on the steps of Centrepork along with the BOD.

After all that, I'll consider a contract - maybe.