MRO Outsourced Maintenance

[DallasConehead]

No relationship between AAR and AMR.
But you are correct about the threat of outsourcing and the T/A rejection. Changes are already underway in TUL to begin the transformation of that facility into an MRO at MRO wages. What is more interesting is the fact that you will now see AA begin the major push via threats of outsouring to go MRO.
Something changed over the last week that few people realize. This has to do with the democrats losing the House to republicans.
Rep. Oberstar, long considered a friend to airline labor and somewhat anti-management, will be replaced by a non-labor friendly chairman. There had been a push to limit and/or restrict the outsourcing of aircraft maintnenance by domestic carriers. Had this legislation come to pass, AA would have been ahead of the game and well positioned to deal with it because they still do in-house maintenance.
Now, it looks like the republicans will scrap that legislation and continue to destroy and eliminate more airline jobs to help the airlines.
So now you will see AMR begin the major campaign to threaten to outsource all heavy maintenance and at the same time threaten the TWU with the loss of thousands of union dues paying members.

What do you think the next T/A will include regarding outsourcing?
What do you think the TWU's reaction to this will be?

I know, do you?

Thats one heck of a crystal ball you have there. Hows about I add a bit more to the story, TWU will buy off on it and sell it, with the threat of AMR outsourcing our work, (1000s rifd). TUL/AFW guys will buy it and run from the sinking ship trying to fill limited slots out on the line (leaving only lower seniority, and those that can continue to run the farm on less). Of course the new "AMR MRO" will be represented by TWU, gotta keep the dues coming in. Kind of like Eagle.

Now, give me my tinfoil hat, so I can keep those silent black helicopters from reading my mind.

 

[Bob Owens]

Have six years passed since 2006?

Thats the product of Republican style public education for you.

The fact is most Democrats pushed for the FAA Reauthorization act, which was watered down by Republicans, which would have helped us. Its original version would have made foreign facilities meet the same standards (drug testing, background checks) as US facilities. Democrats also changed the NMB rules for elections, now only votes that are cast are counted. Thats more than Bush did for us in eight years.

 

[Bob Owens]

How is including AA191 a misrepresentation of the facts? Because it's not in the past 10 years?...

Because mechanics objected to using the proceedure that led to the failure but they were over-ridden by the engineers because they claimed it saved time (and money). I've worked with some of the mechanics who were invloved.

 

[paul1]

Thats the product of Republican style public education for you.

The fact is most Democrats pushed for the FAA Reauthorization act, which was watered down by Republicans, which would have helped us. Its original version would have made foreign facilities meet the same standards (drug testing, background checks) as US facilities. Democrats also changed the NMB rules for elections, now only votes that are cast are counted. Thats more than Bush did for us in eight years.

Chip Cravaack does any one have a take on this guy he is replacing oberstar msp. He was in the navy and a northwest pilot do think he will pick up where oberstar left off as far trying to keep are work from being outsoucred are is he just going to be a true republican. (was he a tea party guy?)

 

[Bob Owens]

Trent 900s on affected QF A380 have been maintained by Rolls Royce since installation:



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101105/ap_on_bi_ge/as_qantas_emergency_14

Outsourced maintenance can be a problem, but this incident has nothing to do with third world MROs.

Wonder if TAESEL has touched this engine?

Dont know but its doubtful, they would have had to ship it 8,000 miles past HAESL. Thats one of the other places where RR does "their" maintenance.

 

[eolesen]

The QF engine hadn't been on the wing long enough to require an overhaul yet.

And an AD issued earlier this year on the Trent 900 which might actually apply here: http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/0/bd36c747996b02d78625777e00523051/$FILE/2010-16-07.pdf

SUMMARY: We are adopting a new airworthiness directive (AD) for the products listed above. This AD results from mandatory continuing airworthiness information (MCAI) issued by an aviation authority of another country to identify and correct an unsafe condition on an aviation product. The MCAI describes the unsafe condition as:

Wear, beyond Engine Manual limits, has been identified on the abutment faces of the splines on the Trent 900 Intermediate Pressure (IP) shaft rigid coupling on several engines during strip. The shaft to coupling spline interface provides the means of controlling the turbine axial setting and wear through of the splines would permit the IP turbine to move rearwards.

Rearward movement of the IP turbine would enable contact with static turbine components and would result in loss of engine performance with potential for in-flight shut down, oil migration and oil fire below the LP turbine discs prior to sufficient indication resulting in loss of LP turbine disc integrity.

We are issuing this AD to detect rearward movement of the IP turbine, which could result in loss of disc integrity, an uncontained failure of the engine, and damage to the airplane.

 

[telebender1956]

Thats one heck of a crystal ball you have there. Hows about I add a bit more to the story, TWU will buy off on it and sell it, with the threat of AMR outsourcing our work, (1000s rifd). TUL/AFW guys will buy it and run from the sinking ship trying to fill limited slots out on the line (leaving only lower seniority, and those that can continue to run the farm on less). Of course the new "AMR MRO" will be represented by TWU, gotta keep the dues coming in. Kind of like Eagle.

Now, give me my tinfoil hat, so I can keep those silent black helicopters from reading my mind.

Just last week here at TULE AA management threatened to outsource GEN/CSD and Misc.Valves simply because we rejected proffered overtime. The threats are already coming to outsource our work.

 

[Hopeful]

Thats the product of Republican style public education for you.

The fact is most Democrats pushed for the FAA Reauthorization act, which was watered down by Republicans, which would have helped us. Its original version would have made foreign facilities meet the same standards (drug testing, background checks) as US facilities. Democrats also changed the NMB rules for elections, now only votes that are cast are counted. Thats more than Bush did for us in eight years.

Let's not forget the Democrats' role in deregulating the airline industry, namely "ER A, ER A," TED KENNEDY, who played a major role in sponsoring the Airline Deregulation Act on 1978, and Carter who signed it. In return for enabling everyone to be able to fly, the airlines had opted to go after labor with a vengeance in order to offer Bus Fare- Airfares.
Yes, Republicans are no friends of labor, but there are quite a few Democrat who are the wolves in sheep's clothing on many a labor issue.
I don't recall Clinton using his 8 years to ban outsourcing. Our right, he signed NAFTA.

 

[telebender1956]

Thats the product of Republican style public education for you.

The fact is most Democrats pushed for the FAA Reauthorization act, which was watered down by Republicans, which would have helped us. Its original version would have made foreign facilities meet the same standards (drug testing, background checks) as US facilities. Democrats also changed the NMB rules for elections, now only votes that are cast are counted. Thats more than Bush did for us in eight years.

Bob, I agree with you on a lot of issues but not this one. We airline employees really don't have any real friends in Washington, D.C. Jimmy Carter allowed Airline deregulation- Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and also denied our AA pilots the right to self help in the late 1990's. My Senator- James Inhofe- Republican-Oklahoma [ a Representative at the time] voted AGAINST NAFTA and allowing PART 145 Maintenance to be performed overseas.
So people from either Party cannot put into a nice little box stating this or that.
We are all by ourselves and do not have anyone representing us including our Union leadership.[A few exceptions] They are more interested in monthly dues and personal expense accounts and the major Unions have turned into large corporations who are primarily interested in self preservation.
I wish this were not so but after 25 years in the TWU this what I have observed.Any real Unionism is going to have to start with US at the ground floor level.

 

[MCI transplant]

Let's not forget the Democrats' role in deregulating the airline industry, namely "ER A, ER A," TED KENNEDY, who played a major role in sponsoring the Airline Deregulation Act on 1978, and Carter who signed it. In return for enabling everyone to be able to fly, the airlines had opted to go after labor with a vengeance in order to offer Bus Fare- Airfares.
Yes, Republicans are no friends of labor, but there are quite a few Democrat who are the wolves in sheep's clothing on many a labor issue.
I don't recall Clinton using his 8 years to ban outsourcing. Our right, he signed NAFTA.
[/quo <_<------- Damn Hopeful, we're seeing more eye to eye every day!------- I agree totally! Both Parties have been guilty of outsourcing our economy for years! That's why we're in the mess we are today!!!------- But to dance to the tune of the Democratic party blindly, just because your committed to being a good Union member, is being more than a little naive!

 

[texasreb]

Thats the product of Republican style public education for you.

The fact is most Democrats pushed for the FAA Reauthorization act, which was watered down by Republicans, which would have helped us. Its original version would have made foreign facilities meet the same standards (drug testing, background checks) as US facilities. Democrats also changed the NMB rules for elections, now only votes that are cast are counted. Thats more than Bush did for us in eight years.

Sorry Bob, but I can not vote for who ever you or the Union tells me to vote for. That is called communism.

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ------- No, not communisum!------ The word for it is "stupid!"

 

[jimntx]

Let's not forget the Democrats' role in deregulating the airline industry, namely "ER A, ER A," TED KENNEDY, who played a major role in sponsoring the Airline Deregulation Act on 1978, and Carter who signed it. In return for enabling everyone to be able to fly, the airlines had opted to go after labor with a vengeance in order to offer Bus Fare- Airfares.
Yes, Republicans are no friends of labor, but there are quite a few Democrat who are the wolves in sheep's clothing on many a labor issue.

But, deregulation is much more of a Republican position that a Democratic one. Get government off the backs of private industry! Let the free market work! And, all that. You know, just like Bush and company got government off the backs of banks, investment firms, and mortgage companies. And, look how well that worked.

You can't have it both ways. Either there is government regulation of industry or there is not. You can't just insist on government regulation when it protects your job and your industry, but not when it protects/bails out someone else. If you are entitled to a government-guaranteed profit, then so is everyone else.

The fact that government price protections through the CAB resulted in too many airlines, too many airplanes, and too many flights is just too bad. The airlines wanted deregulation and they got it because they thought that would allow them to raise ticket prices at will. No one thought that a really efficient, low-cost upstart airline like WN would last more than a year or so. Now, we have to live with the consequences.

Yours is the argument that Republicans have used to justify pork barrel earmarks--like Sen. Steven's (R-AK) famous Bridge to Nowhere. It is pork barrel only when proposed by a Democrat. It is an essential expenditure when proposed by a Republican.
You're saying that government deregulation is bad unless it keeps airfares artificially high then it's necessary. Well, no.

 

[Bob Owens]

<_< ------- No, not communisum!------ The word for it is "stupid!"

Ouch!!

 

[Bob Owens]

Just last week here at TULE AA management threatened to outsource GEN/CSD and Misc.Valves simply because we rejected proffered overtime. The threats are already coming to outsource our work.

Work the OT, and let them know you are doing so to build up your strike fund.