Negotiations........why?

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

The reason AA/TWU walks all over the membership is because as a whole the membership has no fight left. They have been conditioned to be passive and dependent on the UNION.
 
They have implemented the Democratic Party playbook on how to manipulate people and seize control.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 
 
 
I agree with you on the AMFA Teamster raid at SWA, my mistake. I don’t know how I could have overlooked the fact AMFA inherited the IBT contract at SWA, and then went the “contract extension” route because they couldn’t meet their promises to their new SWA members. We’ll see what happens this time.
 
As for the PFAA, “hence they obviously took the matter seriously and were not ignoring AMFA” (your words,) they just refused to honor the AMFA picket line! With that kind of support AMFA is sure to set new standards for the industry.
 
BTW, what Union did they lose to at Horizion?

 
AMFA did indeed inherit the ibt agreement - Just as the law calls for.  As for your misguided take on the contract extensions, sorry to be the one to tell you, its what the MEMBERSHIP wanted. As a TWU parrot its not surprising you can't understand that ... the membership getting what they want. 
 
It is worth pointing out that SWA mechanics make alot more than you, and must be pretty happy with AMFA as "RAID" attempts by both the ibt and your laughable TWU were both sent packing.
 
As for PFAA, thanks for acknowledging your initial post was a lie - good for you
 
On Horizon, your TWU was decertified in favor of AMFA. the ibt in turn displaced AMFA, and then after the ibt allowed the outsourcing of all of Horizons heavy maintenance, there was a second AMFA drive which resulted in an election that AMFA lost. I often wonder why they didn't try to go back to the TWU, after all its done for the mechanic profession. 
 
So in closing, after more of your particular brand of dodging and blathering we come back to the obvious conclusion ... your supposed "Facts" weren't 

 

[topDawg]

topdawg,
I am willing to bet that the new engines on the A330 and the new A350 will be PbtH with another RR JV. LUS doesn't have enough A330s to drive TAESL to tool up for such a small volume. Note the GE90s are under a PbtH with GEES.

FWIW it's my understanding that we are going to be the only MRO in North America to do the Trent XWB and Trent 7000(330NEO engine). 
 
So you might be right. 

 

[Zom JFK]

The reason AA/TWU walks all over the membership is because as a whole the membership has no fight left. They have been conditioned to be passive and dependent on the UNION.

No. They are passive and dependent on the company. Most of these guys are company men. Always have been.

 

[AANOTOK]

I'm getting excited...three days until the TWU starts asking the IAM "what do you want us to do"?
Let the squabbling begin!

 

[swamt]

 
 
 
I agree with you on the AMFA Teamster raid at SWA, my mistake. I don’t know how I could have overlooked the fact AMFA inherited the IBT contract at SWA, and then went the “contract extension” route because they couldn’t meet their promises to their new SWA members. We’ll see what happens this time.
 
As for the PFAA, “hence they obviously took the matter seriously and were not ignoring AMFA” (your words,) they just refused to honor the AMFA picket line! With that kind of support AMFA is sure to set new standards for the industry.
 
BTW, what Union did they lose to at Horizion?

 
 

 
AMFA did indeed inherit the ibt agreement - Just as the law calls for.  As for your misguided take on the contract extensions, sorry to be the one to tell you, its what the MEMBERSHIP wanted. As a TWU parrot its not surprising you can't understand that ... the membership getting what they want. 
 
It is worth pointing out that SWA mechanics make alot more than you, and must be pretty happy with AMFA as "RAID" attempts by both the ibt and your laughable TWU were both sent packing.
 
As for PFAA, thanks for acknowledging your initial post was a lie - good for you
 
On Horizon, your TWU was decertified in favor of AMFA. the ibt in turn displaced AMFA, and then after the ibt allowed the outsourcing of all of Horizons heavy maintenance, there was a second AMFA drive which resulted in an election that AMFA lost. I often wonder why they didn't try to go back to the TWU, after all its done for the mechanic profession. 
 
So in closing, after more of your particular brand of dodging and blathering we come back to the obvious conclusion ... your supposed "Facts" weren't 

Both of you are correct.  
And yes AMFA did inherit the contract from the ibt as you both say.  And yes AMFA did 2 or 3 extensions with 3% raises every year plus bonuses, while all the other airlines were cutting pay, laying off and closing maintenance base/hangers.  
  THS- Is correct when he stated that the membership wanted it.  Very true indeed.  We wanted to remain "as is" with a small COLA raise every year as well as some bonuses until we all rode this slump in the aviation out to the end.  Since out of the slumps AMFA has done 2 section 6 nego's.  So yea sure, the membership wanted it, and it was evident by the numbers during the votes.  
  Our F/A's just agreed on a TA to vote on soon.  It will be interesting to see the details.  But I am sure it will be decent as the TWU for our F/A's seem to do a good job for the membership, but we will see if it was just some pressure from the membership to at least look at something.  Maybe we should go TWU to get a full blown section 6 with every single article open at this time.  LOL, Nahhhhh, no thanks, you can have them...

 

[bob@las-AA]

Overspun
this is exactly what happened in the TWU ATD negotiations the company got everything they wanted because the TWU ATD was inept and the concessions were one sided.....good point!         what do we have to show for our careers?.......nothing !

I'm sure what you are saying is that you have nothing to show for you service at AA. I have no sympathy for anyone who didn't additionally plan for their future and compensate for up and downs that they may encounter.
 
Ok Title 1 can have Delta +7 and the 4% and as a added bonus, a extra 2% just because Parker is in a good mood.
 
BUT !! Because you get a award winning contract, and all contracts are to be cost neutral, 15% of Title 1 will have to hit the streets to cover this ILC you need to compensate you for your failures to plan for the future years ago.

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

 
BUT !! Because you get a award winning contract, and all contracts are to be cost neutral, 15% of Title 1 will have to hit the streets to cover this ILC you need to compensate you for your failures to plan for the future years ago.[/quote]

The only failure was being represented by a union that negotiated concessions contract after contract. Money for jobs every time with nothing to show for it. ILC that's a joke. You blame us for making the same money now that I did fifteen years ago. I want my money and benefits back let's get rid if 15 percent of fools like you

 

[Overspeed]

bob@las,
There will be a de facto reduction in AMT HC due to the new aircraft replacing older MD80s and 757s on the overhaul side of the house. We should all know that in MX. How to deal with the shift in HC needs from base to line will be an interesting one. I was talking to US AMT and he said that several years back the LC tasks on the 320 family was shifted to the line in the form of phase checks. With the new AA will have hundreds of baby busses replacing MD80s and 757s so since the new managers want to shift to that program, their will be in-house base type work, it just may be in JFK instead of TUL for example. The 15% reduction may come due to merger related efficiency improvements and new aircraft anyway.
 
Danker and Pike should know this if they are paying attention and letting their members know the truth of what is coming next.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

bob@las,
There will be a de facto reduction in AMT HC due to the new aircraft replacing older MD80s and 757s on the overhaul side of the house. We should all know that in MX. How to deal with the shift in HC needs from base to line will be an interesting one. I was talking to US AMT and he said that several years back the LC tasks on the 320 family was shifted to the line in the form of phase checks. With the new AA will have hundreds of baby busses replacing MD80s and 757s so since the new managers want to shift to that program, their will be in-house base type work, it just may be in JFK instead of TUL for example. The 15% reduction may come due to merger related efficiency improvements and new aircraft anyway.
 
Danker and Pike should know this if they are paying attention and letting their members know the truth of what is coming next.

didnt litle,gless and videtich tell overhaul this when they were told to vot yes.     The phase checks were no secret and reduction in overhaul was predicted and rejected by the twu as lies.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

No. They are passive and dependent on the company. Most of these guys are company men. Always have been.

We are ALL dependent on the company...... where do you think your paycheck and UNION dues come from?
 
The fact is a companies purpose is to offer goods and services (in this case public air transportation) for profit. A UNIONS purpose is to try to negotiate pay and benefits on behalf of the membership.
 
The company is fulfilling their purpose, the UNION is not.
 
Where the UNION failed is they are speaking FOR the membership instead of on their behalf.
 
That is the passive dependency to which I am referring. The membership has allowed themselves to be silenced and let the UNION speak FOR them. The membership has lost its voice. 

 

[700UW]

We are ALL dependent on the company.....

The company is fulfilling their purpose, the UNION is not.
 

We?

You dont work for AA, you took the money and ran, and took tax dollars, you know a Federal Handout to go back to school.
 
And there you have  it, a company suck up!

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

We?
You dont work for AA, you took the money and ran, and took tax dollars, you know a Federal Handout to go back to school.
 
And there you have  it, a company suck up!

My wife still works for American Airlines. My household income is directly affected by contract negotiations. I depend just as much on American Airlines to pay my bills as anyone on this forum.
 
Now go back to trolling The Water Cooler where you belong you infantile annoyance.

 

[700UW]

Hypocrite double standard.
 
Bottom line is you are not an AA employee and you are anti-union and pro-company, you were fleet not a mechanic.

Now go back and watch Fox News.

 

[767 mechanic]

Man!!!!!! that's the pot calling the kettle black. Your an ex US employee never employed by AA and an ex stores clerk and not a mechanic. Speaking of Hypocrite!!!!!!!