Negotiations........why?

[iluvaa]

Hypocrite double standard.
 
Bottom line is you are not an AA employee and you are anti-union and pro-company, you were fleet not a mechanic.

Now go back and watch Fox News.

trust me on this one your ass is not wanted on here NO one wants to hear your ego. So for you to tell someone else that is ridiculous. So take your ex stock clerk baby momma neg committee super hero IAM suck boy self and get to stepping

 

[chilokie1]

bob@las,
There will be a de facto reduction in AMT HC due to the new aircraft replacing older MD80s and 757s on the overhaul side of the house. We should all know that in MX. How to deal with the shift in HC needs from base to line will be an interesting one. I was talking to US AMT and he said that several years back the LC tasks on the 320 family was shifted to the line in the form of phase checks. With the new AA will have hundreds of baby busses replacing MD80s and 757s so since the new managers want to shift to that program, their will be in-house base type work, it just may be in JFK instead of TUL for example. The 15% reduction may come due to merger related efficiency improvements and new aircraft anyway.
 
Danker and Pike should know this if they are paying attention and letting their members know the truth of what is coming next.

In a perfect world this would be true, in the real world AA can't keep AMT's in JFK.
Look at the transfer lists, as soon as JFK new hires are eligible they transfer out,
I don't think Delta plus 7% will make that situation any better. How can you add
that much work at high cost stations without the AMT's? Maybe a COLA would
help, but where would the money come from? Tulsa can no longer help with 
in-source wages via OSM's, maybe DFW AMT's wages should be cost neutral?
Because in the real world DFW will be the lowest cost station to support a large 
number of AMT's once TULE is gone,............Be careful of what you guys wish for.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Look at the transfer lists, as soon as JFK new hires are eligible they transfer out,

Can you please clarify?
 
Do they transfer out due to the high cost of living, the challenges of commuting to work, or the harsh winters?
 
All three?
 
Is there something else I am missing?
 
Do you feel geo pay would some the staffing issue in JFK?

 

[MetalMover]

Can you please clarify?
 
Do they transfer out due to the high cost of living, the challenges of commuting to work, or the harsh winters?
 
All three?
 
Is there something else I am missing?
 
Do you feel geo pay would some the staffing issue in JFK?

JFK has become a junior station. They have been hiring mechanics from commuter airlines from other areas of the country. Other areas that are extremely cheap to live compared to NY. Then there were the mechanics who upgraded from fleet service from MIA. MIA was the easiest station to get to because of growth and increased maintenance. The OT isn't bad either.  NY is just too expensive especially for those NOT at top pay. Then there were plenty of mechanics who commuted from MIA from the get-go.

 

[1AA]

What's there to clarify? The openings are in New York. People commute so they can earn money for their families living elsewhere. Then they transfer to be home with their spouse and children. Sounds simple to me without any further clarification. GEO pay won't help in places like New York. It's just to darn expensive.

 

[Zom JFK]

We are ALL dependent on the company...... where do you think your paycheck and UNION dues come from?
 
The fact is a companies purpose is to offer goods and services (in this case public air transportation) for profit. A UNIONS purpose is to try to negotiate pay and benefits on behalf of the membership.
 
The company is fulfilling their purpose, the UNION is not.
 
Where the UNION failed is they are speaking FOR the membership instead of on their behalf.
 
That is the passive dependency to which I am referring. The membership has allowed themselves to be silenced and let the UNION speak FOR them. The membership has lost its voice. 

Um, yeah. My point exactly. NO ONE depends on this union passively or otherwise. It does NOTHING.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Um, yeah. My point exactly. NO ONE depends on this union passively or otherwise. It does NOTHING.

It has done plenty.
 
It has used your UNION dues to fund political agendas.
 
It has consistently lowered your compensation for years for the benefit of shareholders and upper management.
 
TWU has become nothing more than a way to exercise political and financial control over the membership.
 
TWU is control.

 

[chilokie1]

Can you please clarify?
 
Do they transfer out due to the high cost of living, the challenges of commuting to work, or the harsh winters?
 
All three?
 
Is there something else I am missing?
 
Do you feel geo pay would some the staffing issue in JFK?

You need to ask them I just looked at the transfer lists

 

[700UW]

It's against the law for a union to use dues money to given to any candidate, or party, dude can't be used for hard money, it can be used for voter education and GOTV, that's it.

Figures someone posts misinformation once again.

 

[Bob Owens]

 
 All Labor Union’s in the Airline Industry call what AMFA has been trying for more than 40 years “RAIDING”. You can attempt to disguise a pig by putting lipstick on it, but it’s still a pig.
 
 
 

Yes, its still a Raid, even if its done by unpaid Volunteers. So what? Its still union and Unions should support each other against the greed of Corporations, that's what real Unions, Unions that feel the Union belongs to the members, do.
 
Business Unions feel the membership, and the dues, belong to them that's why they place raiding as a higher crime than scabbing or selling out your members. If my brother moves to a different house he is still my brother.  Business Unions don't feel that way, business unions feel they own us.
 
Real Unions will always side with other Unions, even if there was a bitter exodus to the other Union. I recall back in Ireland when train operators split from SEPTU and formed a new Union that later went on Strike SEPTU refused to do struck work-PERIOD. Yes the other Union was the result of a raid, but unlike in business Unionism, raiding is not a mortal sin like scabbing is. The employer knew of the bitter split and assumed that like what they saw in America, that the other Union would gladly help break the new upstart-they were wrong. 
 
The fact is that the other Unions were more interested in seeing AMFA fail than in protecting they interests of their members. Look at how to this day these scabs that pretend to be "Union men" cite NWA as a cautionary tale not only against going to a small Union but also against putting up any resistance whatsoever to concessionary demands from the Airlines, Airlines that pay some of these scabs, these great pretenders, pensions based on what the Union paid them and travel benefits like only top executives receive. 

 

[Bob Owens]

What's there to clarify? The openings are in New York. People commute so they can earn money for their families living elsewhere. Then they transfer to be home with their spouse and children. Sounds simple to me without any further clarification. GEO pay won't help in places like New York. It's just to darn expensive.

GEO pay may not completely correct the problem, but anything would help. 

 

[Bob Owens]

JFK has become a junior station. They have been hiring mechanics from commuter airlines from other areas of the country. Other areas that are extremely cheap to live compared to NY. Then there were the mechanics who upgraded from fleet service from MIA. MIA was the easiest station to get to because of growth and increased maintenance. The OT isn't bad either.  NY is just too expensive especially for those NOT at top pay. Then there were plenty of mechanics who commuted from MIA from the get-go.

NY is too expensive for those at TOP pay as well. NY is step 3 so after two years the new hires are at TOP pay but that's still not enough. So far two of the very few senior guys under 50 who are NYers simply walked away from jobs they had for over 20 years. One started his own business and the other went to work on the railroad. 

 

[bob@las-AA]

It has done plenty. Not so wrong
 
It has used your UNION dues to fund political agendas. Wrong
 
It has consistently lowered your compensation for years for the benefit of shareholders and upper management. Wrong
 
TWU has become nothing more than a way to exercise political and financial control over the membership. Wrong
 
TWU is control. Wrong

Before 700 starts posting his cut-n-paste junk about this post I will try to intervene,
No union can use any part of our dues for political purpose.
Wages have been on the rise.
 
and I think thats as far as i'll go 

 

[Bob Owens]

 
 
Both of you are correct.  
And yes AMFA did inherit the contract from the ibt as you both say.  And yes AMFA did 2 or 3 extensions with 3% raises every year plus bonuses, while all the other airlines were cutting pay, laying off and closing maintenance base/hangers.  
  THS- Is correct when he stated that the membership wanted it.  Very true indeed.  We wanted to remain "as is" with a small COLA raise every year as well as some bonuses until we all rode this slump in the aviation out to the end.  Since out of the slumps AMFA has done 2 section 6 nego's.  So yea sure, the membership wanted it, and it was evident by the numbers during the votes.  
  Our F/A's just agreed on a TA to vote on soon.  It will be interesting to see the details.  But I am sure it will be decent as the TWU for our F/A's seem to do a good job for the membership, but we will see if it was just some pressure from the membership to at least look at something.  Maybe we should go TWU to get a full blown section 6 with every single article open at this time.  LOL, Nahhhhh, no thanks, you can have them...

I hear from a friend at UAL that all the company keeps saying is how the TWU gave all this stuff away at AA and they want it too, not once has UAL management cited anything they found advantageous about what SWA has with their mechanics. 
 
The fact is that Jim Little and his teAAm did more damage to our profession than Lorenzo ever dreamed of and no honest person can deny that. Even Lorenzo could not have imagined ONE WEEK OF VACATION, Five Holidays AT HALF PAY, and the scores of other "Industry leading concessions,that even non-union carriers didn't demand from their workers. Concessions that we were told we would get back by 2006 but nearly ten years later, despite RECORD BILLION DOLLAR profits are still subjected to. 

 

[700UW]

Before 700 starts posting his cut-n-paste junk about this post I will try to intervene,
No union can use any part of our dues for political purpose.
Wages have been on the rise.
 
and I think thats as far as i'll go 

 
 

It's against the law for a union to use dues money to given to any candidate, or party, dude can't be used for hard money, it can be used for voter education and GOTV, that's it.

Figures someone posts misinformation once again.

Beat you to the punch already, lol, a little slow this morning Bob?