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New AA Union Drive

The new president was in a dunk tank to make money for charity..............But the old president was in the Drunk tank!! Leaving his E board to run the local. And I must say they did a good job. Try to contain yourself at 3 in the morning! :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: 😱
Didn't your ex-pres come in 3rd place, if I recall correctly. What's his problem? All my contact at DFW still say there is a big improvement over your ex, especially considering you guys got our old management team now. If you still can have CS's and 4-10's with Blair in charge, they have done well.
 
New AMP flier out with all the bullet points. Please forward to fellow mechanics. Thanks

http://www.ampnational.org/bulletin-board-flyers/mission-goals-download.pdf
 
Goose I have have to call b.s. on that one, Dave is a welder not an A&P and he was our leader of the drive. But that aside i voted yes on TA and will sign a card and get many others to sign one as well. Its about getting rid of the TWU not about who is better then the next guy it takes all skills to put an aircraft in the air.

I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to agree with Goose on this one and back up what he is saying. There were indeed parades of elitist AMFA fools dissing the skill sets because we are non A&P. I do remember too the welder crew chief who was part of the organizing effort. I also remember when he volunteered to go work on a Super 80 phone mod line that was to last about three months in the hanger.....Why did he do this you ask? Well because he had to get 3 months under his belt working in "AMFA's Branch of the Trade", in order to protect his seniority exorcising rights...
 
I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to agree with Goose on this one and back up what he is saying. There were indeed parades of elitist AMFA fools dissing the skill sets because we are non A&P. I do remember too the welder crew chief who was part of the organizing effort. I also remember when he volunteered to go work on a Super 80 phone mod line that was to last about three months in the hanger.....Why did he do this you ask? Well because he had to get 3 months under his belt working in "AMFA's Branch of the Trade", in order to protect his seniority exorcising rights...


That is total BS about needing 3 months under the belt. Was that some kool-aid they served in the greivance office? I never even heard of the "Branch of Trade"... Seniority rights are granted under the Labor Agreement not some kool-aid pitcher in the TWU Union Hall or Grievance Office. You of all people I know understand that to be fact.
 
Some will swear it never happened, but some of us remember supporters of AMFA telling skilled workers how they would be on the street after AMFA booted the TWU from American - that was no way to win friends and many of them remember the things that were said. A very vocal minority made it plain if one didn't have an A&P certificate, that person was unskilled labor. That was no way to influence people and win allies for the cause. AMFA mayhave had greater success in TULE had this vocal group been muzzled and the main body of supporters stuck to real issues such as the problems with the TWU.

As far as what value AMFA placed on the people themselves (non-certificated), I have no idea because after the things I heard, I was permanently turned off to the possibility of them as a bargaining agent.

Skill requirements for some positions that are still required to make an airline function are little to none and I agree - tossing bags should not be compensated as would be a mechanic, machinist, or a welder. Regardless, those people are part of the "power in numbers" we have to have to get a fair hearing by the company.

There was one loose canon that entered the machine shop area and stated that skilled machinist would be outsourced if AMFA was certified.

My understanding is the individual had personal issues with some of the machinist that ratted him out to HR for having a camera on the property and taking photos of the anti-AMFA banner hanging in the shop from a hoist.

There is no question that a non-licensed machinist, welder, plater, composite tech are in the minority regardless of whether the TWU, AMFA, or AMP represents us at AA. These unlicensed skilled work groups are going to be in the minority regardless of Constitution and Name on the Door of the Union Hall. Because of this fact we are brought right back to same issue. Read the Constitutions, compare the facts, and make a decision.

Me perosnally, I would rather be the minority in a Union with a democratic membership control Constitution rather than a Union that has Constitution written in the 1930's by the Communist and Irish Republican Army that provides a dictatorship without accontability. Again, if you are in the minority regardless of Union which would would rather belong to and support?


I refuse to be brow beat about my skill. I have never seen or even read about a welders union busted by bus loads of scabs crossing a picket line. And as far as unionism goes, the A&P damn sure cannot make that claim. After what happened at both Alaska Airlines and Northwest Airlines during an AMT strike and the A&P scabs crossing so fast the striking union was squashed, I really don't see where any A&P whould be talking down to any other skilled work group. It is not the welder, machinist, plater, stock clerk, fleet service clerk or even the bus drivers that are your enemy. It is your fellow A&P AMT that you should be watching. They are the one's that have weakened your profession. For some unknown reason the A&P AMT's of this industry refuse to acknowledge that fact and keep blaming everyone else for their demise as if they have their heads buried in sand.

Me I can see and remember the truth without effort.
 
That is total BS about needing 3 months under the belt. Was that some kool-aid they served in the greivance office? I never even heard of the "Branch of Trade"... Seniority rights are granted under the Labor Agreement not some kool-aid pitcher in the TWU Union Hall or Grievance Office. You of all people I know understand that to be fact.

The "Branch of the Trade", did exist within the NW/AMFA agreement. It also was an area of consideration when exorcising seniority at the time. The NW/AMFA agreement was what the organizers wanted our agreement to look like at AA. For myself I had a former AMFA organizer( not a welder) suggest that I get 3 months out in the hanger before AMFA took over......Strange huh?
 
Saw an article in Tulsa World about this, so it is starting to get some press.

I just can't get excited though. I don't see what a new union is going to do differently to get more for us. Be militant like the pilots? See where that got them, and where is Lloyd Hill now after years of stomping his feet ended in total failure.

I'm just not seeing a reason to switch.
 
untiil the day comes and it will most likely never will in our life time that all mech. for all carries are cover under one contract and we can stirke with not being locked out

congress passes tougher laws for aircraft maint. and so forth the twu and other unions will continue to do what they have been doing

there's a lot of bitching about the TWU on here , but I don't hear much better about other unions
 
also google the tn visa aircraft maintenance

if thats doesn't make you sick


thats things the int. union should be fighting but where are they getting there pockets stuffed
 
Saw an article in Tulsa World about this, so it is starting to get some press.

I just can't get excited though. I don't see what a new union is going to do differently to get more for us. Be militant like the pilots? See where that got them, and where is Lloyd Hill now after years of stomping his feet ended in total failure.

I'm just not seeing a reason to switch.

I'm not sure you see much.
 
Saw an article in Tulsa World about this, so it is starting to get some press.

I just can't get excited though. I don't see what a new union is going to do differently to get more for us. Be militant like the pilots? See where that got them, and where is Lloyd Hill now after years of stomping his feet ended in total failure.

I'm just not seeing a reason to switch.


You must be numb in the groin area, for most of us it still hurts to be kicked in the balls.
 
Saw an article in Tulsa World about this, so it is starting to get some press.

I just can't get excited though. I don't see what a new union is going to do differently to get more for us. Be militant like the pilots? See where that got them, and where is Lloyd Hill now after years of stomping his feet ended in total failure.

I'm just not seeing a reason to switch.
At least there would be some accountability, and instead of the international negotiating our contract we'd have a Professional Negotiator. This excuse that it doesn't matter what the name is on the door is lame.
 
also google the tn visa aircraft maintenance

if thats doesn't make you sick


thats things the int. union should be fighting but where are they getting there pockets stuffed

TN Visa Requirements
These are the basic requirements to qualify for the TN Visa:
•You are a Canadian, Mexican citizen
•You have been offered a job by a U.S. employer
•The job you intend to engage in is one of the approved professions listed in NAFTA Appendix 1603.D
•You are qualified to work in this job
The job offered is temporary in nature, up to a maximum stay of one year
 
I hope you don't highlight the red area because you think one year is ok


there is lot of people out of work in the U.S. that have the required skills no reason to farm out or jobs
 
Saw an article in Tulsa World about this, so it is starting to get some press.

I just can't get excited though. I don't see what a new union is going to do differently to get more for us. Be militant like the pilots? See where that got them, and where is Lloyd Hill now after years of stomping his feet ended in total failure.

I'm just not seeing a reason to switch.


How about Accountability and a Democratic union body for starters?
 
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