New AA Union Drive

[Ken MacTiernan]

What regional airline pays their mech $33 an hour, please provide proof, as your info is usually a bit perverse. Try and stay away from your frequent rhetoric, considering we have all heard it before.

I do agree with the unaccountable TWU folks comment.

Wait a second. You're the one behind an alias preaching the twu is the best thing since sliced bread. The twu represents Eagle and AA AMTs so by your logic shouldn't both be paid the same?

Truth is rhetoric?

Your last sentence. I'm not surprised.

 

[Bob Owens]

What regional airline pays their mech $33 an hour, please provide proof, as your info is usually a bit perverse. Try and stay away from your frequent rhetoric, considering we have all heard it before.

I do agree with the unaccountable TWU folks comment.

SWA, look at who they compete with on most of their routes, Regionals. They dont fly International, And they get $43.

 

[Duke787]

Wait a second. You're the one behind an alias preaching the twu is the best thing since sliced bread. The twu represents Eagle and AA AMTs so by your logic shouldn't both be paid the same?

Truth is rhetoric?

Your last sentence. I'm not surprised.

I'm not saying the TWU is the best, I said our pay is market driven. I also said it was AMFA that drove up the market, I remember Little saying he was going to get us $28 an hour back in 2001. I also said that Eagle mechs pay was $9 an hour less because of the market they're in, you said the their pay was lower because the TWU was representing them. I urge everybody to check the past posts to see how Ken skews the discussion. I asked you a direct question asking what regional airline pays their mechs $33 an hour. You won't answer that question, because it will show that facts don't fit in with your rhetoric.

You and Bob are so rapped up in your own idiocy, that can't have a coherent discussion about a new union. An easy argument would have been, the market for an A&P is $43 an hour, SWA, UPS and FedEx, all make that. AA low balled us and the TWU brought it back to us. Bob's argument "SWA competes against regional airlines". You talking heads aren't worthy of my time.

 

[Vortilon]

I'm not saying the TWU is the best, I said our pay is market driven. I also said it was AMFA that drove up the market, I remember Little saying he was going to get us $28 an hour back in 2001. I also said that Eagle mechs pay was $9 an hour less because of the market they're in, you said the their pay was lower because the TWU was representing them. I urge everybody to check the past posts to see how Ken skews the discussion. I asked you a direct question asking what regional airline pays their mechs $33 an hour. You won't answer that question, because it will show that facts don't fit in with your rhetoric.

You and Bob are so rapped up in your own idiocy, that can't have a coherent discussion about a new union. An easy argument would have been, the market for an A&P is $43 an hour, SWA, UPS and FedEx, all make that. AA low balled us and the TWU brought it back to us. Bob's argument "SWA competes against regional airlines". You talking heads aren't worthy of my time.

Well, I would argue that working at a regional is a stepping stone job. At least it used to be - now the gap in pay is shrinking. That holds true for all work groups. That is why, even the company doesn't compare us to regional carriers.

 

[Duke787]

Well, I would argue that working at a regional is a stepping stone job. At least it used to be - now the gap in pay is shrinking. That holds true for all work groups. That is why, even the company doesn't compare us to regional carriers.

I think you are right, but I'm saying that Eagle doesn't generate the revenue that AA does. I talked to an Eagle last week, he is in his 40s, and he has no intention on leaving Eagle to be on the bottom of the totum poll to work nights AA, I don't see Eagle as stepping stone any longer like it use to be, especially sense they are growing. What I've noticed there are no longer any young mechs working at ORD at any airline regional or legacy.

 

[enough already]

Local 514 prez Sam Cirri strikes again with anti AMP rant:

http://twu514.org/files/2009/11/Informer-issue-371.pdf

 

[Duke787]

Local 514 prez Sam Cirri strikes again with anti AMP rant:

http://twu514.org/files/2009/11/Informer-issue-371.pdf

It came across as a broken link to me. Was it more scare tactics?

 

[Just the Facts II]

Wake up Duke, its not just the pay, we gave away so much more, and are about to give up our prefunding for retirement. Get with the program, you seem like a smart guy.

I was wondering, just when did prefunding become something that is a positive benefit for the membership and not a concession? Or am I missing something?

When it comes to concessions we are already giving and I dont feel that we should give any more. We were able to gain back a lot of lost ground this contract but we are still concessionary in regards to past buying power earned per hour. Our hourly rate still lags inflation by a couple of dollars per hour, we have to pay for medical, prefunding, higher FICA and payroll taxes as a result of the deflection of the tax burden away from corporations and the rich, a longer workweek by virtue of the unpaid lunch period and the loss of jobs due to work rule concessions that transferred work from higher paid mechanics to fleet service clerks and outside contractors.

Bob Owens
Posted 02 November 2002 - 04:34

AMAMFA has changed contracts for decades to come? Funny but NWA still has the same contract, ours was changed. How did AMFA change our contract? How did AMFA change any contract over the last year? Clearly you have your Unions confused. It is the TWU that lowered the bar with B-scale, Flex Rates, Prefunding, Flex benifits, OSMs, junior fleet service clerks, stright time pay for training after shift, employee paid uniform cleaning, one week of vacation for new hires, no holidays, and on and on. Other airlines will not tell their employees that "we have to match NWA, SWA, or even the IAM negotiated cuts at UAL or Usair. Other carriers will point to AA and say "THAT IS WHY YOU MUST WORK FOR LESS! BECAUSE WE CANT COMPETE WITH AA UNLESS YOU DO."
Bob Owens
Posted 26 January 2004 - 09:14 PM

The fact is that all the airlines have people in the street, even AA, the only airline that has SRPs, halkf paid holidays, one week of vacation, prefunding and every other concession they ever asked for.
Bob Owens
Posted 24 May 2004 - 05:37 AM

Do you think its right for TWU leaders to undercut the industry through things like B-scale, Flex Benifits, Prefunding,and the largest concessions package in history,...
Bob Owens
Posted 20 September 2005 - 06:17 AM

I gave up looking for when the switchover occured.

I'm just sayin....

 

[1AA]

I got an email from a friend of mine in Tulsa that Jim Little made a visit. How about that. The president of the TWU visiting Tulsa? Word is that he went their to see how serious the AMP drive is. I guess he will be instructing his marching men to squash any attempt to organize a drive. So much for democracy. The Government allows us to organize of our choosing but the TWU wants us to follow the Kool-aid line. Now we will see union brothers turning in union brothers for exercising their democratic right to choose better representation. Why not send the ATD director or Don V. or the local president do his work. Maybe he feels he can not trust them. If this T/A gets turned down it will pressure the union and company to come up with more money and less concessions. If not the cards will be rolling in at a much faster pace.

 

[Birdman]

If the TWU tries the kangaroo court method again to try and quash the AMP rebellion, do not give them the satisfaction. If presented with a notification that you are being charged with dual unionism, feel free to tear it up in front of them and throw it in the trash. You are under no obligation to respond in any way. While some in 2000 chose to defend the cause, which was noble, I chose to let them waste their money on rental space and ub time. Either way, if they begin, don't sweat it.

 

[toroshark]

I got an email from a friend of mine in Tulsa that Jim Little made a visit. How about that. The president of the TWU visiting Tulsa? Word is that he went their to see how serious the AMP drive is. I guess he will be instructing his marching men to squash any attempt to organize a drive. So much for democracy. The Government allows us to organize of our choosing but the TWU wants us to follow the Kool-aid line. Now we will see union brothers turning in union brothers for exercising their democratic right to choose better representation. Why not send the ATD director or Don V. or the local president do his work. Maybe he feels he can not trust them. If this T/A gets turned down it will pressure the union and company to come up with more money and less concessions. If not the cards will be rolling in at a much faster pace.

Let's just hope the T/A does get voted down and that you are correct with the less concessions.

 

[Birdman]

Kangaroo Court is a badge of honor. Why would you not go before their court and tell them why this is happening with pride?

I chose to not legitimize their proceedings and felt no animosity toward those who participated. Just a personal choice. In retrospect, I would have loved to have seen Leeann Yaryans smirky face had I ripped the notice to shreds.

 

[odie01]

I chose to not legitimize their proceedings and felt no animosity toward those who participated. Just a personal choice. In retrospect, I would have loved to have seen Leeann Yaryans smirky face had I ripped the notice to shreds.

Here is an interesting site, please pass it on
http://www.representationnow.com/index.htm

 

[Interested]

Here is an interesting site, please pass it on
http://www.representationnow.com/index.htm

I kind of like that site.

 

[odie01]

I kind of like that site.

I'll have to say the anticipation is killing me. After 23 years with AA, I think this vote is the most critical for our profession.
Oh yeah, here is a good website

http://www.representationnow.com/index.htm