New Europe routes

[FlyOnWall]

DP has stated that there may be three more transatlantic flights from PHL with 757 ETOPS next year. Any ideas or speculation on what? I would guess Zurich, Brussels again, Vienna, and Copenhagen would be next on the list.

The only places I think the 757 can make it to are Belfast, Edinburgh, Leeds, maybe Brussels?

 

[Travelpro72]

Well as for popular destinations your probably right. As for the ETOPS 757's, ATA flies them to some pretty far places though as a charter I do believe they stop over in places. Not sure how far we could take them. I think to follow Continentals lead, we could go to anywhere they are flying their 757's to in Europe. They fly it to many places.

 

[LGA777]

I think another likely destination is BHX Birmingham,England especially with the sucess of MAN, and it could be flown with a 757.

Cheers

LGA777

 

[DCAflyer]

I'd love to see us fly to ATH. I don't know if the 75s have that range, so maybe we'd have to use the 76s. Currently, I believe the only US carrier who flies to Greece is DL.

 

[legacy-to-LCC]

I'd love to see us fly to ATH. I don't know if the 75s have that range, so maybe we'd have to use the 76s. Currently, I believe the only US carrier who flies to Greece is DL.

i am fairly certain that the 330s don't even have the range to hit athens. at least that is what a 330 captain told me.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Prague, Budapest and Berlin

 

[FlyOnWall]

I seem to remember hearing that the 300 cannot, but a 330-200 could do Athens and Tel Aviv. Athens was one of the markets Wolf mentioned at the time they ordered 330s.

BHX (Birmingham) might be good for US. US Airways has a good reputation in the UK and Ireland. If I'm not mistaken Manchester-Philly is one of thier best routes, Rome is also a big one, and Amsterdam is the least performing route. Could they put a 757 on Amsterdam and use a 767 to somewhere else?

Are any of the Star carriers interested in putting some ops into PHL? Austrian from VIE, LOT from WAW, Swiss from ZRH? I don't know how viable O&D is, but PHL offers great connections (well;, if it ran well, let's hope that changes).

 

[FutureUScapt]

BHX could be flown by a 757 and then they could take a 767 off the flight to DUB or AMS and put it on a route to ZRH or VIE. Perhaps, US would consider Newcastle w/ a 7575 since AA abandoned plans for it. Supposedly, officials from Newcastle are in the beginning stages of talks with a US airline, though it is rumored to be CO.

 

[TXL]

Regarding the 757 range, CO flys from EWR to the following cities using 757:

Amsterdam (along with 764)
Barcelona
Berlin
Birmingham
Bristol
Cologne/Bonn
Copenhagen
Dublin (two 752 flights)
Edinburgh
Glasgow (two 752 flights)
Geneva
Hamburg
Lisbon
Manchester (two 752 flights)
Oslo
Paris (along with 777)
Shannon
Stockholm

Looks like the 752 has the range to go to many cities from PHL.

 

[zethya]

I seem to remember hearing that the 300 cannot, but a 330-200 could do Athens and Tel Aviv. Athens was one of the markets Wolf mentioned at the time they ordered 330s.

BHX (Birmingham) might be good for US. US Airways has a good reputation in the UK and Ireland. If I'm not mistaken Manchester-Philly is one of thier best routes, Rome is also a big one, and Amsterdam is the least performing route. Could they put a 757 on Amsterdam and use a 767 to somewhere else?

Are any of the Star carriers interested in putting some ops into PHL? Austrian from VIE, LOT from WAW, Swiss from ZRH? I don't know how viable O&D is, but PHL offers great connections (well;, if it ran well, let's hope that changes).

The 330-200 has the range for TLV and ATH, however the reason that so few airlines fly from the U.S. to ATH is because the traffic is primarily low yield tourist, much like Rome and difficult to sustain year round especially with today's fuel costs. PHL-ROM (like most U.S. - ROM routes) does well in summers and Decembers only and at best marginal the rest of the year. EL AL has been rumored to start PHL-TLV service by year end or early next Spring (if they get the aircraft). Air Lingus is very likely to start PHL-DUB service within the next year also. It's more likely US would initiate WAW service next year (with a 767) than LOT - same with ZRH - US before Swiss (but Swiss is not out of the question). It has also been rumored that in the near future PHL will finally get it's first non-stop service to Asia - via an Asian carrier.

The international - domestic connection bottlenecks at PHL (that you seem to allude to) are typically with US, not with the International Carriers.

 

[FlyOnWall]

No one else really connects in PHL, it's US's hub so they have the problem.

Is Aer Lingus really going to add PHL? They are like US Airways in that they are not sitting on a whole lot of widebodies to throw around. I'd be surprised if they choose to compete with US who is already established rather than start a route with no competition instead, or resume Baltimore which is probably more lucrative. Aer Lingus only serves JFK, BOS, ORD, and LAX. I'd think PHL would be pretty far down thier list.

 

[USCREW]

Prague, Budapest and Berlin

ASIA!!!

 

[TheWatcher]

Well as for popular destinations your probably right. As for the ETOPS 757's, ATA flies them to some pretty far places though as a charter I do believe they stop over in places. Not sure how far we could take them. I think to follow Continentals lead, we could go to anywhere they are flying their 757's to in Europe. They fly it to many places.

How about following CO's lead by serving the same markets, but doing so with more attractive equip. like widebody jets instead of 757's..........

 

[jetpiedmont79]

PIT-FRA in 2007? 😛

 

[700UW]

US definatly needs some widebodies bad, there are a bunch of Qantas 767-200ERs parked in the MHV and some Air Canada ones too, the problem is US never knew what kind of airline it really wanted to be, and Doug is trying to figure it out.

If you look at all the legacies except WN, they all have extensive European flights and big or medium sized Asian routes, that is what US needs to do to compete.

Also US needs a presence in the Transcon flights from Cities like JFK to LAX and SFO, BOS to the westcoast even IAD, with 757s or 767s and become a real airline instead of a Regional Airline like US really is.