New European Cities 2007 Athens, Brussels, Zurich

[JayBrian]

Does anyone remember anything about the delivery schedule for the A330-200s? I think they are still on order.

 

[BoeingBoy]

2009-2010...Don't have any more detail than that.

Jim

 

[Dog Wonder]

757 to Brussels

767 to Zurich

330 to Athens

According to DP. No one asked, and DP didn't say where the planes would come from.

 

[FlyDCJets]

Well, it's certainly true that the additional TA flights would generate more revenue for US than additional WN flights would, but after that your logic falls apart.

Would 3 TA flights generate more PFC revenue for PHL than 8-10 WN flights a day on each of the equivalent gates?

Jim

International Service brings High Fare High Yield to PHL and they will typicaly spend more $$$ than a typical WN passenger.
Regards
DC

 

[DHG750R]

I can tell you right now that neither the 767 or the 757-ER, have the range to do PHL-ATH. Not sure about the 333, but I've talked to Airbus pilots who've said west bound flights from Rome, during certain times of the year, is really stretching the range limitations of that aircraft. So what aircraft will they use to fly the ATH route and will it have to make a tech stop?

The 767-200ER's in fact have a longer range than the A330-300's The 767's range is in excess of 6000nm while the A330-300's range is approx 1000nm less .

PHL-ATH is approx 5035nm based on the great circle route

The 757's do not have sufficient range for PHL-ATH nonstop

 

[BoeingBoy]

International Service brings High Fare High Yield to PHL and they will typicaly spend more $$$ than a typical WN passenger.
Regards
DC

If "PHL" means the airport and it's revenue, which I assumed to be the case, the fare/yield the passenger represents makes no difference.

OTOH, if by "PHL" you mean the city/airport concessions, you are right - the international travelers will probably spend more per passenger. However, WN would carry a lot more passengers utilizing 3 additional gates than US would with only 3 additional TA flights/day. It's impossible to state for a fact that either would result in more total revenue for the city/airport concessions.

Jim

 

[700UW]

The 767-200er barely made it from PHL-FCO, that is why the first A300-300s were put on the route.

 

[PHL]

The 767-200er barely made it from PHL-FCO, that is why the first A300-300s were put on the route.

Wasn't PHL-CDG the innaugural A330 route for US? I think even PHL-LGW came before FCO. But even so, why didn't they start with FCO?

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

On the Investor call today they announced that the new Europeon cities will be Athens, Brussels and Zurich, IF

(sigh) I had hoped for CPH, but it's great that more cities are being added. ATH is a bit of surprise, I thought that it's mostly a leisure market, with lower yields than one with more business traffic(like ZRH).

 

[ClueByFour]

International Service brings High Fare High Yield to PHL and they will typicaly spend more $$$ than a typical WN passenger.
Regards
DC

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support that statement.

Moreover, if you have looked in steerage on US over the pond of late, it's not exactly a cabin full of jet-setting sophisticated world-travellers.

 

[700UW]

They started with FCO because the 767 could not make it to FCO with full passengers, cargo and fuel.

The A330 can.

 

[FutureUScapt]

Wasn't PHL-CDG the innaugural A330 route for US? I think even PHL-LGW came before FCO. But even so, why didn't they start with FCO?

Yes, PHL-CDG was first. Infact, PHL-FCO was the fifth route launched though it started a mere two months after the inagural flight. The first five routes (in order) were as follows:

PHL-CDG-PHL
PHL-FRA-PHL
PIT-FRA-PIT
PHL-LGW-PHL
PHL-FCO-PHL

 

[etops1]

since this has already been announced by douge. i can tell you that ath will be flown using an a330. i had scott kirby on a flight from mco-clt and we spoke for a while. he told me the new cities.i told him that we needed to get more widebodies asap. he agreed. they are looking at both airbus and boeing. alot was talked about . i asked him many questions that he was a little hesitant to answer because he was afraid i would post it on usaviation. i promised him i would not "which i won't scott". all i can say is that good things are coming as far as phl. inflight amenities. more dest other than ath,zurich,and brussels. we may see a bright star in one of our future dest. and it's not the star alliance

 

[BuffaloJoe]

International Service brings High Fare High Yield to PHL and they will typicaly spend more $$$ than a typical WN passenger.
Regards
DC

At Terminal E in PHL, the Hammerhead they are building will include a "Super Wal-Mart"! haha

 

[Atlantic]

The way I understand it, an airline leases a gate, it's for a fee, per year, or per years. So PHL does not get more cash for the flights of that gate. Just the neg. fee for the gate. Now the airport does get cash from the take offs and landings. Based on the G/T weight of that a/c. So a SW a/c 737 pays much less than a US Int. flight [75,76, A300] would. Maybe three to one. At best it's a wash, or mabe a little towards US favior.
And why not to US. We were there in the early 80's, with 3 or 4 gates when Eastern went under. We took over the Eastern gates. When the Midway hub went down, we took over those gates. You might say we bailed PHL out on those deals. Nobody wanted those gates. US had a large voice in PHL finishing A East, just a steel frame when I first flew in there. We got a gate or two there for over flow. And we took over the lease for the old TWA hanger as well.
The A West terminal, yep, it was US. It's hard to believe, but there is a old hanger on the other side of the field, with one jetway. Thats were the Int. flights pulled into.
PHL on the whole has in spite of 2BK of US has come out on the good side.
PHL's problem is that the airport is run by crooks, looking to pad their pockets. Anybody see that they are digging up the ramp again. Take a guess who's relation has a hand in that.