New Flight Attendant Training

[goodgirl37]

Yep, our training is longer than most. We tend to give you the 'whys" and not just say...do it!

We also give you hands on time on each a/c along with an IOE/OJT for each a/c.

That is right it is tooooo looonnnggg... If you think about it .. UAL CAL AA all of those are not even that long, and on top of that they have to go through visas etc., for international and have many more A/C types and much more service - 7 weeks is a joke... Good Luck to all who go, it will be a cakewalk compared to your training in the east..

 

[hp_fa]

Words cannot adequately express how happy I am that I will never have to work with the likes of you.

 

[Furloughd4now]

Management never provided us with hotels during our 7 weeks training either. So what? Also 7 weeks is nothing... It used to be 8 weeks. You are making assumptions that they are only learning 3 aircrafts. How do you know that? Are you in training? You should just be grateful and stop complaining.

My My how mature.

7 weeks without a paycheck is a LONG time. If it happened to you you'd be singing a very different tune.

Also consider that most if not all will have to relocate literally thousands of miles or commute the same distance on a regular basis.

I've been through training many times, as well as helped out in an airline with the initial in-flight training, proving runs, etc.. FAA mandates X-hours for each aircraft. West goes well beyond that.

Having an accelerated course is smart and I'm sure the FAA would approve in light of current circumstances; AND you will get alot more people WILLING to give up yet another portion of their lives and really dedicate themselves to the new LCC.

It's nice to see such big hearts. can't wait to work with y'all!

 

[azjetdude]

Actually, HP would not have to get FAA approval to reduce any hours that are over the regulated hours. We do exceed in a few areas and some areas we just meet.

Don't expect any reduction. The training is good and thurough. All I can say is if you chose to go, just relax and enjoy. It isn't going to change just because you think it should. Its a good, tough program. Doesn't matter how many airlines you worked for before, you always have to go through initial.

HP and US are different on just about every procedure, emergency equipment and a/c configuration so at least there will be new things to learn.

Also, because there may also be people off the streets in these classes, you won't see any reduction. Just accept that a reduction won't be happening.

HP has never done anything just because some other airline does it differently. We actually think training is a good thing. Our training department has never believed in just meeting the minimum requirements.

BTW, jetblue exceeds some of the hours we do. But they believe in training also.

 

[ItsNotThatSerious]

Management never provided us with hotels during our 7 weeks training either. So what? Also 7 weeks is nothing... It used to be 8 weeks. You are making assumptions that they are only learning 3 aircrafts. How do you know that? Are you in training? You should just be grateful and stop complaining.

You know I think you should be the grateful one. I bet the majority of those FA's that will be coming from the east are senior to you!!! If it were totaly fair they would have their jobs back when the fence came down...yeah a bump and flush. The whole training thing could be sped up. We ALREADY know FAR's, First-Aid, Fire Fighting, PAX handling...etc. So that means we really need to know the location of the emergencey equip. and the commands. That would take about a week. So in all fairness the 40% FA's on the west who are junior to me while Im still on furlough should be greatful!!!

 

[goodgirl37]

You know I think you should be the grateful one. I bet the majority of those FA's that will be coming from the east are senior to you!!! If it were totaly fair they would have their jobs back when the fence came down...yeah a bump and flush. The whole training thing could be sped up. We ALREADY know FAR's, First-Aid, Fire Fighting, PAX handling...etc. So that means we really need to know the location of the emergencey equip. and the commands. That would take about a week. So in all fairness the 40% FA's on the west who are junior to me while Im still on furlough should be greatful!!!

You know what don't worry about it b/c as soon as you are technically recalled you will bump above ipornotcan anyway... then you can just take "her" line ... they are the lucky ones for being able to remain in their spot for a year or so more but after they will be bumped down just where they need to be...

 

[Furloughd4now]

Don't expect any reduction. The training is good and thurough. All I can say is if you chose to go, just relax and enjoy. It isn't going to change just because you think it should. Its a good, tough program. Doesn't matter how many airlines you worked for before, you always have to go through initial.

HP and US are different on just about every procedure, emergency equipment and a/c configuration so at least there will be new things to learn.

Also, because there may also be people off the streets in these classes, you won't see any reduction. Just accept that a reduction won't be happening.

HP has never done anything just because some other airline does it differently. We actually think training is a good thing. Our training department has never believed in just meeting the minimum requirements.

BTW, jetblue exceeds some of the hours we do. But they believe in training also.

Understood on all points. However, like mentioned earlier, I have been through many training programs. I will not name names except, US airways I had to go through "only" 6 weeks and learn 11 aircraft types. (Not tryng to earn "brownie points" just making a statement.) Other airlines with A/C fleet of one, training was 3-4 weeks. Jetblue (with only one type) is not over 4 weeks (I do not know exact amount) ALL these companies go beyond FAA requirements. If I am not mistaken it is 40 hrs per aircraft - FAA minimum. If I am wrong I KNOW SOMEONE WILL BEAT ME INTO SUBMISSION

Understand that once I decide to go, I will relax and make the best of it, I'm actually looking forward to working with you. However, it is difficult to go into a "recall" situation and to be "required" to go through initial training with no pay.

However, I still feel your program is extensively long for only 3 aircraft types. Just me opining

 

[IpourNotCan]

You know I think you should be the grateful one. I bet the majority of those FA's that will be coming from the east are senior to you!!! If it were totaly fair they would have their jobs back when the fence came down...yeah a bump and flush. The whole training thing could be sped up. We ALREADY know FAR's, First-Aid, Fire Fighting, PAX handling...etc. So that means we really need to know the location of the emergencey equip. and the commands. That would take about a week. So in all fairness the 40% FA's on the west who are junior to me while Im still on furlough should be greatful!!!

Your post is laughable. I am grateful, but I don't think you are. I wouldn't care if seniors bump me or juniors come here. I am right in the middle and I've been here 20 years. You already know FARs, Fire fighting etc? From when? 2000? Well I have a suprise for you honey, FARS changes and new policies come up. We have a different system here at America West and different company policies,so you definetely need to be trained as a new flight attendant. By the tone of your voice and with that personality, the 20% not 40% that are junior to you are going to eat you alive. So you better shape up and loose the attitude, it's zero tolerance in training.

 

[TheNewLowFare]

She's right, It's zero tolerance in training. If you fail or get a DNRA, you are out.
But if you really think learning the company policies, the new FARS, emergency equipment etc. are going to be a breeze then maybe we should compile your comments here and send them to Tim Patterson, our head of inflight. He'll make it more fun and challenging for you.

 

[320driver]

Words cannot adequately express how happy I am that I will never have to work with the likes of you.

AMEN to that

 

[desertgal]

Our training was a short intense 3 weeks training of 737-200,737-100,737-300,757s,A320,A319s and we only 1 OJT which was 737.

You forgot the Dash8 and ramp training. I was in a Fast Track class, too.
I had OJT on 737 and Dash8.

And I seriously don't get all the bickering over the HP training, or the offer of employment.
If the deal dosen't work for you, then don't take it. Pretty simple. But you can't expect an airline to change its entire program because you think you know it all already.
The reason for no lodging, is because the training is for PHX ONLY.
Perhaps some day, we may begin hiring for system-wide placement, and then they may have to offer something, as in industry standard.
Or maybe not. As long as they can fill the positions without it, they will never pay for it. All part of LCC.

HP's training is excellent, there's no question about that.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Words cannot adequately express how happy I am that I will never have to work with the likes of you.

You mean you don't want to work with Superstewardess?

 

[Optimist]

You forgot the Dash8 and ramp training. I was in a Fast Track class, too.
I had OJT on 737 and Dash8.

And I seriously don't get all the bickering over the HP training, or the offer of employment.
If the deal dosen't work for you, then don't take it. Pretty simple. But you can't expect an airline to change its entire program because you think you know it all already.
The reason for no lodging, is because the training is for PHX ONLY.
Perhaps some day, we may begin hiring for system-wide placement, and then they may have to offer something, as in industry standard.
Or maybe not. As long as they can fill the positions without it, they will never pay for it. All part of LCC.

HP's training is excellent, there's no question about that.

I agree with Desertgal, training at HP is excellent and that's why the Travel Channel wanted us for their show. We were the first choice and they liked our brand new training facility.
One tip for furloughees, we have voice checks (If you cannot pass the scream test during evacuation, you fail and have to retake. New hires don't even get a 3rd chance. If they can't do it, they are out.) You really have to have a commanding loud voice when you yell your emergency and evacuation commands.

 

[USAirBoyA330]

I think somewhere in the agreement it states that if you fail out of the training it will not effect your recall to USAirways once the merger is complete. You just leave and then then wait for your number to come up again. If these people can pass the USAir 6 week program they can pass the AW part too.
This time next year we will all be going through trasition training...should be interesting.

 

[Furloughd4now]

Pretty simple. But you can't expect an airline to change its entire program because you think you know it all already.

Totally agreed to here. Most of us don't claim to "know-it-all", However I like most of my compatriots, know 'enough". We are not hired "off-the-streets" WE want to be informed, instead of going in blindly; especially if you are asking me/us to give up 7 weeks of my/our way-of-life with no pay and to move several thousand miles away. It's not like we're going from Charlotte to virginia Beach.

I'm smart and I know what I am doing as with almost all of the East coast people that WILL be joining you soon!

I'm hoping to find out some 'important' and 'pertinent' information prior. I along with my east coast colleagues were hoping to get it here.

Apparently, I have yet to hear any helpful, informative, welcome advise; just negativity.

Oh and BTW, I don't need a PA to make my voice heard!

Have a nice day! Mahalo!