Non Rev Question?

UPNAWAY

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This has happened to me twice in the last 12 months.

On a full flight with the misses and I listed as SA1P it doesn’t look good. They page two customers that have check in but not showed at the gate (I was praying they where drinking in the bar) so we have a slight hope. Then a Pilot shows up at the last minute. The gate agent informs him no seats full flight and that he can jump seat. He doesn’t want to. Somehow he gets on with/out jump seating, I know I was the only SA1P and they can now only get one of us on not both.
I am not the type to complain at a gate so I say nothing. I understand not wanting to jump seat transcon but both times this has happened it was for 1 hr flights.
So my question is if your able to jump seat and there are obviously non revs standing buy trying to get on why would any Crew member not take the jump seat so one more no-rev can get home?
 
A lot of people will but when it goes right down to it, it's seniority. On a 1 hour flight I would for sure but it is their right.
The only time I will not is when Dead Heading. Sorry, the seat is mine and end of story. Sorry this happened to you. I also ask now before closing the door "did you clear the standby list?" Most Captains will agree we don't leave with open seats and non revs sitting at the gate.
 
I LOVE flying with pilots who will walk up the jetway and do a sweep of the gate area themselves to check for nonrevs. Especially those cities with a high commuter volume. Nonrevs being left happens everyday. I also have had what was described above by UPNAWAY. You know damn well your to have the seat but somehow someone else gets on. I was on a transcon and as Beachboy states it's your right to not ride jumpseat if a seat is available. I did NOT want to ride the jumpseat cross country. Well the girl got on who was a f/a and then her b/f. So here I am (trying to stay out of the way) hanging in the back galley and the door closes up front. Being nice I didn't make a scene. I SHOULD have went up and told Susie Snowflake to take the jumpseat so I can enjoy seat 4C. To boot she NEVER said thank you after the fact. Little things like that you never forget. hm hm hm..... ;)
 
A lot of people will but when it goes right down to it, it's seniority.

Well, not really seniority - the non-rev may have more time with the company than the jumpseater. It's what was negotiated with the company - jumpseaters can be offered a seat in the cabin if there are empty seats after revenue passengers have been accommodated (including award ticket holders).

As beachboy said, many/most jumpseaters would probably pass on the cabin seat if they knew that non-revs wouldn't get on. Likewise, many/most captains wouldn't offer a seat in the cabin to the jumpseater unless they knew that non-revs were all accommodated. Like everything, there are exceptions or possibly neither the jumpseater nor captain were informed that non-revs were hoping to get on.

Jim
 
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We did clear we had boarding passes and boarded.
Once on board there was only one seat not two. They were trying to push and I told the FA there wasn’t any empty seat and they asked me to step off which of course I did. As to the stdby Pilot not knowing there where Non Revs we had about 8 gathered around the podium when he came up. Unless he mistook us for Gate Agent Groupies maybe?

I look at these things as part of the job but can’t help sometimes think the pushy get their way more then the ones playing by the rules. It did cost me a hotel this time.

One other time I really wish I had said something. Similar scenario but this time the Pilot is an AA employee. I have cleared and have my boarding pass just waiting for my zone. He asked to jump seat they inform him it is already full. He spots our Pilot and goes and talks to him a few minutes later they are both at the gate. They agent pages me they take my boarding pass back. Our Pilot gave up the jump seat to the AA pilot and then took my seat. I did get on the next flight an hour later but rubbed me the wrong way.

Oh, the joys of Non-Rev!
 
IF I WORKED FOR AN AIRLINE I WOULD TYPE THIS :...and this is just something to chew on which may piss some people off...

Let's say you were on the standby list, waiting patiently, and had already listed and all of that and I clear the nonrevs. It's less than 15 minutes to departure time, and Ive just cleared your seat, you're onboard....and some guy with better seniority, not listed runs up and wants to go.

I am not removing a nonrev with less seniority to get that guy on the plane if you've already boarded if our flight is operating ontime when I should be shutting that door, like NOW!!

I have this problem frequently since PIT downsized its station, people running up at the last minute, not listed, expecting to go, all having a pissing match over seniority and threatening to complain because I'm not clearing due to seniority. I am not getting my arse chewed because the nonrevs had a seniority issue, that is a writeup and a delay I'm accountable for personally. There has to be a point to where the list gets cut off, otherwise we are playing musical chairs. Off again, on again, off again, on again. Glad you got on, hire from 1949, but now I'm written up over the delay. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

What I do in oversold situations like that is print the standby list at the time of boarding and have everyone check in. I also have a way to check and see who is listed and not checked in and whether they are on a connecting flight. Likewise, if passenger SMITH doesn't show up, and I've got to get five people under him cleared and we've got to shut the door, I'm skipping Smith. I'm not removing the five that were there if Smith, locally boarding, shows up breathless and never checked in. I dont have to. The original poster, who was here patiently waiting , who was here ontime, deserves to go ahead and get on if they are next on the list. If another seat opens up before I shut the door, I'll stick Smith in there or on a jumpseat, but not remove a nonrev with less seniority so close to departure time unless the captain authorizes and will take responsibility for that decision/delay. Just to be clear, before I get flamed out, I'm talking about DOOR CLOSURE TIME...not during reasonable checkin time....

I dont' really know how relevant that was to your situation since I'm not actually an airline employee.....but.....just throwing that out there since it happens all the time.
 
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Boy I didn't realize Wendy's had a similar situation just to get a free Frosty :lol: !!!!!
 
Well since people can check in for a frosty 24 hours in advance on their employee website "The Blub" , many people do that to be first but THEN they never show up and you're paging 30 people who kind of maybe thought they wanted that frosty and decided to go ahead and check in....decided nevermind and then never got removed from the list.....so now I gotta page all these people to get to number 45 on the list, wasted fifteen minutes and now the frosty's all melted and gross and finally before door closure, someone sees that flight frosty still on the board menu and shows up expecting me take the frosty back away even though the door is halfway shut ...cuz you know, I need to respect the senior-i-tahh......

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If I was riding in a seat, we weren't weight-restricted and there were non-revs not getting on I always asked the working crew if they minded if I rode a jumpseat so a non-rev could get on. I only had a crew say no to me once, the rest of the time they were good with it.
 
One other time I really wish I had said something. Similar scenario but this time the Pilot is an AA employee. I have cleared and have my boarding pass just waiting for my zone. He asked to jump seat they inform him it is already full. He spots our Pilot and goes and talks to him a few minutes later they are both at the gate. They agent pages me they take my boarding pass back. Our Pilot gave up the jump seat to the AA pilot and then took my seat. I did get on the next flight an hour later but rubbed me the wrong way.

Oh, the joys of Non-Rev!
This is clearly pilots taking care of pilots…….
The dead head positive space pilot gave there seat up for a non revenue USAirwasy employee. Good stuff. But when a commuting pilot from any tom dick or harry airline shows up all bets are off. Pilots take care of there own..........
The Capitan’s are very clear its there seat. Dead head sits in there seat in back and the offline bumming a ride pilot gets to go and the Capitan leaves behind a USAirways employee. It wasn’t long ago an AA pilot couldn’t touch a US/PI airplane with out a ticket. . On a side note: AFA/CWA should get a reciprocal jump seat agreement
NO ONE WAY JUMPSEAT. Like HP has
 
As beachboy said, many/most jumpseaters would probably pass on the cabin seat if they knew that non-revs wouldn't get on. Likewise, many/most captains wouldn't offer a seat in the cabin to the jumpseater unless they knew that non-revs were all accommodated. Like everything, there are exceptions or possibly neither the jumpseater nor captain were informed that non-revs were hoping to get on.

Jim
There again the captain and a dead heading pilot very rarely gives up there seat and the back for a USAirways employee if a non-USAirways (pilot) employee wants jumpseat
 
There again the captain and a dead heading pilot very rarely gives up there seat and the back for a USAirways employee if a non-USAirways (pilot) employee wants jumpseat
Deadheading is a completely different. In my time at the company it was extremely rare for a deadheading pilot or F/A to give up their seat and use the jumpseat. That seat in the cabin is the price the company pays for making us deadhead instead of working the flight. To expect that it be given up so easily is to start down the slippery slope of having the company say deadheading pilots and F/A's have to use the jumpseats so more revenue passengers can get on.

There are several "exceptions" in the non-rev system. Pilots and F/A's (at least on East metal) can an open cabin seat. Station managers often work out deals with their peers at the same station to give free interline passes to station employees while pilots/FA's have to pay for them, etc.

Jim
 
Station managers often work out deals with their peers at the same station to give free interline passes to station employees while pilots/FA's have to pay for them, etc.

Jim
This practice is vanishing due to management generating revenue at any cost. The terminal agreements are fading with new breed of management
 
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