NW (BOS) Union Reps....Banned !

[Kev3188]

Kev,

"That ..MEANS.....W A R" !!

Well, it certainly seems to have steeled the resolve of those involved in the organizing...

To me it appears to have also awakened some of the apathetic folks at NW. People that were sort of blithely rolling along, are really pissed off.

These guys will have no shortage of people willing to pick up their shifts (or trades), so they can continue doing their work.

By their actions, management has made it clear that they feel this drive is a very credible threat to their agenda.

I also have to say this policy is yet one more example of why the current regime can't be trusted. Didn't Anderson sit in front of congress and swear that he respected the rights of employees to organize? And yet, here they are undercutting that very thing. Very telling, IMO...

 

[dapoes]

Well, it certainly seems to have steeled the resolve of those involved in the organizing...

To me it appears to have also awakened some of the apathetic folks at NW. People that were sort of blithely rolling along, are really pissed off.

These guys will have no shortage of people willing to pick up their shifts (or trades), so they can continue doing their work.

By their actions, management has made it clear that they feel this drive is a very credible threat to their agenda.

I also have to say this policy is yet one more example of why the current regime can't be trusted. Didn't Anderson sit in front of congress and swear that he respected the rights of employees to organize? And yet, here they are undercutting that very thing. Very telling, IMO...

Come on Kev, seriously be realistic. What did you think was going to happen, the red carpet treatment for a union rep to come in, serve him coffee and donuts??? That was not the time nor the place for any union rep to come in and speak.

 

[Kev3188]

Come on Kev, seriously be realistic. What did you think was going to happen, the red carpet treatment for a union rep to come in, serve him coffee and donuts??? That was not the time nor the place for any union rep to come in and speak.

I expect professionalism and respect from both sides. If the DL manager felt that this was a violation of DL's advocacy policy (I think that's what it's called???), he should have explained that when asking the rep to leave.

Furthermore, as DL employee, I'm suprised you're not embarrassed by the supervisor's behavior towards his employees-your coworkers. Is this someone you really want "representing" your company (no pun intended)?

I'm pretty sure I'm the equivalent of a PL at Delta, and I would NEVER treat my crew like indolent children the way this dope did, even if I was diametrically opposed to what was going on.

 

[dapoes]

I expect professionalism and respect from both sides. If the DL manager felt that this was a violation of DL's advocacy policy (I think that's what it's called???), he should have explained that when asking the rep to leave.

Furthermore, as DL employee, I'm suprised you're not embarrassed by the supervisor's behavior towards his employees-your coworkers. Is this someone you really want "representing" your company (no pun intended)?

I'm pretty sure I'm the equivalent of a PL at Delta, and I would NEVER treat my crew like indolent children the way this dope did, even if I was diametrically opposed to what was going on.

I'm sure the union rep was not surprised at him being shown the door. He probably knew what he was doing would viewed inappropriate at the least. If he wanted "respect" then he should have "respectfully" asked for time to speak rather then just strolling in and hijacking the meeting. That alone was very "disrespectful".

I'm not "embarrassed" for other peoples actions for which I have no control over. I was not there and neither were you for that matter. Sometimes these "stories" get stretched as they find themselves passed along down the line. Sometimes they also get "spun" by agendas whether it be DAL or xxx-Union. Also it would be arrogant to say that you or others have never said something stupid at an inappropriate time to someone else.

 

[Kev3188]

I'm sure the union rep was not surprised at him being shown the door. He probably knew what he was doing would viewed inappropriate at the least.

Why? How is speaking to your new coworkers inappropriate?

If he wanted "respect" then he should have "respectfully" asked for time to speak rather then just strolling in and hijacking the meeting. That alone was very "disrespectful".

Why would he have to ask if he was invited by the DL rampers? By the way, what meeting was he "hijacking?" I haven't heard any mention of an interruption.

I'm not "embarrassed" for other peoples actions for which I have no control over.

You should be in this case. This is a guy that clearly doesn't know how to articulate himself when under pressure. He also apparently never learned how to wow people with logic, and common sense. He seems amazingly insecure to me...

I was not there and neither were you for that matter. Sometimes these "stories" get stretched as they find themselves passed along down the line. Sometimes they also get "spun" by agendas whether it be DAL or xxx-Union.

So far I haven't heard anything claiming it didn't happen as described, either on this board or elsewhere.

Also it would be arrogant to say that you or others have never said something stupid at an inappropriate time to someone else.

It would be... Except I've never claimed to have not put my foot in my mouth; you made that assumption. What I will say, is that I have never-and would never-resort to treating my coworkers like inmates on a chain gang, because A) I'd look like a jack ass (like this guy now does) B) It would completely undermine the way I try to run things, and C) It may prove to get guys to be more pro-union than they might have been before.

 

[dapoes]

Why? How is speaking to your new coworkers inappropriate?

Kev, you nor I are naive to the real world. Your viewing things thru the "perfect world" glasses again.

Why would he have to ask if he was invited by the DL rampers?

Same as above

You should be in this case. This is a guy that clearly doesn't know how to articulate himself when under pressure. He also apparently never learned how to wow people with logic, and common sense. He seems amazingly insecure to me...

Why should I be embarrassed again? Are you for real Kev? Are you embarrassed for every thing in your world to which you have no control over, none the less someone who may have acted inappropriately?

So far I haven't heard anything claiming it didn't happen as described, either on this board or elsewhere.

So therefore it must be 100% true right? Just by considering the source (NHB) makes me suspect.

It would be... Except I've never claimed to have not put my foot in my mouth; you made that assumption. What I will say, is that I have never-and would never-resort to treating my coworkers like inmates on a chain gang, because A) I'd look like a jack ass (like this guy now does) B) It would completely undermine the way I try to run things, and C) It may prove to get guys to be more pro-union than they might have been before.

Ok Kev, whatever...im sure you never have been considered a jack-ass by people under you...ever. I'm sure they would probably think different.

 

[Kev3188]

Kev, you nor I are naive to the real world. Your viewing things thru the "perfect world" glasses again.


Same as above

What are "perfect world" glasses?" I'm basing my opinion on what's been posted & what I've heard from someone in BOS. If this guy had barged into a closed door meeting and started touting the IAM, then, yes, I would agree with you. That's not what happened here at all, is it? You're looking for a reason to rationalize things that just isn't there.

Why should I be embarrassed again? Are you for real Kev? Are you embarrassed for every thing in your world to which you have no control over, none the less someone who may have acted inappropriately?

I don't mean embarrassed in the "I-just-walked-out-of-the-bathroom-with-toilet-paper-stuck-to-my-shoe" way. What I am saying is that this guy is not someone I would want representing the company I work for period. You can blow that off all you want, but realize this is the guy that is representing *your* belief in a non-union work place. Is that really how you want your message to get across? Is this really how you think someone in a leadership position should act?

So therefore it must be 100% true right? Just by considering the source (NHB) makes me suspect.

All I'm saying is that I haven't heard any different from anyone, DL or not.

NHBB has an ear to what happens in BOS. So does Red Tail Bear, since he just happens to work there, or did you miss that in post #5. Also, it may stun you, but I do get info from other sources besides this board. Shocking, I know.

Ok Kev, whatever...im sure you never have been considered a jack-ass by people under you...ever. I'm sure they would probably think different.

Again, you're assuming a lot of things and putting words in my mouth.

Have I pissed some people off in my time? Probably, but never because I yelled and screamed like a frothing madman.

"Peace through tyranny" is not my leadership philosophy....

 

[dapoes]

What are "perfect world" glasses?" I'm basing my opinion on what's been posted & what I've heard from someone in BOS. If this guy had barged into a closed door meeting and started touting the IAM, then, yes, I would agree with you. That's not what happened here at all, is it? You're looking for a reason to rationalize things that just isn't there.

And I think you're the one looking for a reason to rationalize things that just isn't there.

I don't mean embarrassed in the "I-just-walked-out-of-the-bathroom-with-toilet-paper-stuck-to-my-shoe" way. What I am saying is that this guy is not someone I would want representing the company I work for period. You can blow that off all you want, but realize this is the guy that is representing *your* belief in a non-union work place. Is that really how you want your message to get across? Is this really how you think someone in a leadership position should act?

So your saying NWA is 100% free of people acting stupid? Is that what you are trying to tell me??? Sorry Kev, I don't feel embarrassed when others act stupid, maybe you do, but not me. I don't carry burdens like that, its a waste.

All I'm saying is that I haven't heard any different from anyone, DL or not.

NHBB has an ear to what happens in BOS. So does Red Tail Bear, since he just happens to work there, or did you miss that in post #5. Also, it may stun you, but I do get info from other sources besides this board. Shocking, I know.

Yes and we all know he is 100% bias-free so therefore it must be true.

Again, you're assuming a lot of things and putting words in my mouth.

Have I pissed some people off in my time? Probably, but never because I yelled and screamed like a frothing madman.

"Peace through tyranny" is not my leadership philosophy....

Ok Kev, if you say so.

 

[FLYHAPPY]

Yes and we all know he is 100% bias-free so therefore it must be true.


Take a look in the mirror or on this forum and say that is not true of you (100% bias-free).

If you are representative of DAL, that is embarassing as well. The more you post the worse it gets, attack and defense wise. If you are frontline, and this is your attitude, that is even more frightening. One bad gate agent don't spoil the whole bunch girl but it does represent the group.

Kev may not be on your page, but he presents things in a calm level headed way, you could offer your rebuttals similarly. Hopefully you are not in a leadership role, as your mentality to me doesn't appear to be anything but self indulgent.

I'm either changing my opinions by reading and digesting these forum discussions or you have turned me off as much as some of the others who are on the opposite side of your fence.

NHBB is not always right, but neither are you, and if I'm not mistaken, he does admit it from time to time.

 

[Kev3188]

And I think you're the one looking for a reason to rationalize things that just isn't there.

Um no, not really.

Is this "am not, are too" type response the best you can come up with? C'mon....

So your saying NWA is 100% free of people acting stupid? Is that what you are trying to tell me??? Sorry Kev, I don't feel embarrassed when others act stupid, maybe you do, but not me. I don't carry burdens like that, its a waste.

See above....

Once more, you have made the mistake of twisting my words around. Don't do that again. By the way, we're talking about DL, not NW here...

Yes and we all know he is 100% bias-free so therefore it must be true.

If it happened, it happened. It wouldn't make it any less true, if say, you reported it.

Ok Kev, if you say so.

I say so.

 

[the2nwaguys]

Attn: All Delta Bloggers

Fact or Fiction Take your pick....
FACT: Nobody -no union official and no NW employee BUSTED into any meeting. The story is...two NW employees walked into a DL breakroom during a break in operations and talked to future co-workers. The topic of conversations were:

(1) Arrival of a time clock: Blame that on Delta not on Northwest.

(2) Union benefit as follows: IAM defined pension, sick time accrual and banks (500 hours personally), OJI accruals and banks (1500 hours personally), seniority protection through grievances, arbitration and court of law, paid holidays, fair and equal overtime distribution, and NWA stock grievance award (over $212,000,000!!)

I'm not going to waste my time with the fiction factor on the blogs. The Union offers protection against Northwest's and soon to be Delta's management whims.

***MOST IMPORTANT IS YOUR PERSONAL VOTE FOR CONTRACTS***
Remember the union provides a binding contract and benefits into retirement:
-pension
-health care
-no SS offset (applies to DL employees only)

****SO VOTE UNION AND PROTECT YOURSELF***

-TWO NWA CO-WORKERS

 

[jalbalpa]

Its a shame...it really is. We are deprived of what is our right, and thats the right to organize.

The current administration has consistently failed to uphold workers rights and corporations have taken advantage of not having to answer to illegal activities such as these. We hope that with new leadership in Washington, they will once again have to play by the book!

 

[1Conehead]

Its a shame...it really is. We are deprived of what is our right, and thats the right to organize.

The current administration has consistently failed to uphold workers rights and corporations have taken advantage of not having to answer to illegal activities such as these. We hope that with new leadership in Washington, they will once again have to play by the book!

I don't see where you are "deprived" of anything. Start a card drive get enough of them then ask for a vote

P.S. cards should not be considered votes.

 

[dapoes]

Its a shame...it really is. We are deprived of what is our right, and thats the right to organize.

The current administration has consistently failed to uphold workers rights and corporations have taken advantage of not having to answer to illegal activities such as these. We hope that with new leadership in Washington, they will once again have to play by the book!

Sounds like the typical AFA sour milk excuse for losing. You do know the NMB applied the same rules that have been in effect for decades and under both administrations? You are not aware of that?

 

[Dignity]

Sounds like the typical AFA sour milk excuse for losing. You do know the NMB applied the same rules that have been in effect for decades and under both administrations? You are not aware of that?

Hi Dapoes!...speaking of "sour milk" thats never a problem based here in the Artic...BrRrRrrr!, you dont even have to worry about it being spoiled ever! generally its frozen into a solid chunk!