Nwa Customers

[bowhunter]

Considering the fact that I am flying with NW the second week of September, I have been reading a lot of material on the strike issues. It has been interesting to find that striking employees are bashing the "SCABS". People are saying how we "the customer" should be afraid to fly under these conditions. What I'm getting to is that.....
Is it really going to be that dangerous to fly with NWA while the replacements are working on aircraft? I get really nervous flying, and this is not making things better. Honest answers, "not bashing" , would be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks

 

[awayfrmitall]

I am a customer also... personally if I were you I would be worried... See the link below from the union which represents the FAA inspectors...

FAA Inspector's Union Letter

 

[keeptheodds]

I am a customer also... personally if I were you I would be worried... See the link below from the union which represents the FAA inspectors...

FAA Inspector's Union Letter

[post="290534"][/post]​

There will be no safety issues regarding the work that was performed by the replacement workers. However for the next couple of days there will be a safety issue regarding sabotage from the striking AMFA members.

There are broken keys in most all the locks which has resulted in some delays.

Stored parts are not where they are supossed to be or are gone by way of the dumpster.

The computer will tell you 20 parts are located in such and such bin and you go there to find an empty bin.

Nose gear have been damaged.

Brakes have been damaged.

Fuel quantity sensors have been destroyed.

Pins on LRU's have been destroyed.

LRU's are missing.

So yes your Unionized Mechanics have put the flying public in somewhat danger.
None of these problems have seriously harmed a passenger there have been some delays. The issues are being taken care of.

 

[TWU informer]

Considering the fact that I am flying with NW the second week of September, I have been reading a lot of material on the strike issues.  It has been interesting to find that striking employees are bashing the "SCABS".  People are saying how we "the customer" should be afraid to fly under these conditions.  What I'm getting to is that.....
Is it really going to be that dangerous to fly with NWA while the replacements are working on aircraft?  I get really nervous flying, and this is not making things better.  Honest answers, "not bashing" , would be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks

[post="290508"][/post]​

Nothing to be concerned about I guess, As long as you dont mind this guy clearing your aircraft maintenance log before take-off.

I am not bashing here, this picture was taken of one of NWA replacement workers training grounds.

The truth is he was there, and this photo was taken.

As far as easing your nervousness, I cannot help there.

Missing parts is one thing. Photo showing assnine man with his pants down, reported to be a maintenance technician is another!

 

[FA Mikey]

There will be no safety issues regarding the work that was performed by the replacement workers. However for the next couple of days there will be a safety issue regarding sabotage from the striking AMFA members.

There are broken keys in most all the locks which has resulted in some delays.

Stored parts are not where they are supossed to be or are gone by way of the dumpster.

The computer will tell you 20 parts are located in such and such bin and you go there to find an empty bin.

Nose gear have been damaged.

Brakes have been damaged.

Fuel quantity sensors have been destroyed.

Pins on LRU's have been destroyed.

LRU's are missing.

So yes your Unionized Mechanics have put the flying public in somewhat danger.
None of these problems have seriously harmed a passenger there have been some delays. The issues are being taken care of.

[post="290546"][/post]​

HHmmmmmm says you. Sounds more like larry moe and curley maintenance is finding its not as easy as they thought.

 

[bowhunter]

To be honest,

The fight between Union workers and the "replacement workers" is not my concern. My total concern is the experience and quality of the hired mechanics. I am glad that I still have 3 weeks until I am departing!! Maybe NWA will work something out.

 

[Mr T]

HHmmmmmm says you. Sounds more like larry moe and curley maintenance is finding its not as easy as they thought.

[post="290556"][/post]​

KTO is dead on with this one those union A$$es have all but destroyed the spare parts and sabotaged the aircraft. Good going you unemployed ba$tards. 3 people was injured during evac of the 747 in guam while coming down the slides. union a$$es sabotaged the nose gear. I hope as hell the feds get your ignorant, stupid deadbeat a$$es :angry:

 

[Bob Owens]

To be honest,

The fight between Union workers and the "replacement workers" is not my concern. My total concern is the experience and quality of the hired mechanics. I am glad that I still have 3 weeks until I am departing!! Maybe NWA will work something out.

[post="290571"][/post]​

I dont work for NWA however I am a 25 year Aircraft Mechanic and I support the mechs at NWA. So you know where I stand. I will however try to give you an objective answer.

Should you change your plans and fly someone else?

Yes.

Is NWA unsafe?

Well it is most certainly "less safe".

Here are some reasons why.

The union mechanic provides a balance. Supervision is put under tremendous pressure to get planes out, their jobs are at risk. This pressure often causes supervisors to try and pressure mechanics into letting unairworthy aircraft fly. Unairworthy does not automatically mean an aircraft is "dangerous" but it does mean that it does not meet a standard that is set to maintain safety. Over my 25 year career I have often had encounters with management who were trying to get me to send out aircraft that were not up to standards, and on many occasions the supervisor later apologized and thanked me.

It takes years for a mechanic to get to know an aircraft. Each fleet type is different, although most planes have the same basic systems and have many similarities they are still very different . NWA now has all the mechanics who are familiar with their airplanes out on the street. They replaced them with new people who are being directed by management. Management does not actually work on aircraft, older managers may have never worked on the newer fleet types such as the Airbus, 757 and 767 and the ones that have worked them have not done so in years.

The company is trying to prove that it can do just fine without its 4400 A&P mechanics, so the pressure to get the planes out is greater than ever. So you have inexperienced new hires, with no union protection, being directed by people who may have never actually worked on these fleet types under tremendous pressure to show they can run the operation without its skilled experienced workforce, its a recipie for disaster. The saving grace is that the aircraft are built pretty well, but then again when you are sitting in an aluminum tube an eighth of an inch thich going 500mph eight miles high it doesnt take much for things to go terribly wrong.

So flying NWA at this time is probably the most dangerous time you could ever pick to fly NWA.

 

[Mr T]

I dont work for NWA however I am a 25 year Aircraft Mechanic and I support the mechs at NWA. So you know where I stand. I will however try to give you an objective answer.

Should you change your plans and fly someone else?

Yes.

Is NWA unsafe?

Well it is most certainly "less safe".

Here are some reasons why.

The union mechanic provides a balance. Supervision is put under tremendous pressure to get planes out, their jobs are at risk. This pressure often causes supervisors to try and pressure mechanics into letting unairworthy aircraft fly. Unairworthy does not automatically mean an aircraft is "dangerous" but it does mean that it does not meet a standard that is set to maintain safety. Over my 25 year career I have often had encounters with management who were trying to get me to send out aircraft that were not up to standards, and on many occasions the supervisor later apologized and thanked me.

It takes years for a mechanic to get to know an aircraft. Each fleet type is different, although most planes have the same basic systems and have many similarities they are still very different . NWA now has all the mechanics who are familiar with their airplanes out on the street. They replaced them with new people who are being directed by management. Management does not actually work on aircraft, older managers may have never worked on the newer fleet types such as the Airbus, 757 and 767 and the ones that have worked them have not done so in years.

The company is trying to prove that it can do just fine without its 4400 A&P mechanics, so the pressure to get the planes out is greater than ever. So you have inexperienced new hires, with no union protection, being directed by people who may have never actually worked on these fleet types under tremendous pressure to show they can run the operation without its skilled experienced workforce, its a recipie for disaster. The saving grace is that the aircraft are built pretty well, but then again when you are sitting in an aluminum tube an eighth of an inch thich going 500mph eight miles high it doesnt take much for things to go terribly wrong.

So flying NWA at this time is probably the most dangerous time you could ever pick to fly NWA.

[post="290592"][/post]​

its all nuts and bolts my friend. airplanes are airplanes I'm working with the folks you call inexperienced and i've worked with those who have been laid off from the airlines. we"re alot safer now

 

[TWU informer]

KTO is dead on with this one those union A$$es have all but destroyed the spare parts and sabotaged the aircraft. Good going you unemployed ba$tards. 3 people was injured during evac of the 747 in guam while coming down the slides. union a$$es sabotaged the nose gear. I hope as hell the feds get your ignorant, stupid deadbeat a$$es :angry:

[post="290591"][/post]​

DO you have any proof of these claims? Or are you just an angry and bitter person spewing venom?

You make some pretty serious claims there Mr T.

BTW, isn't there a check of the nose gear on a regular basis? And wasn't this checked within the last 48 hours by the newly hired mooners?

 

[Mr T]

DO you have any proof of these claims? Or are you just an angry and bitter person spewing venom?

You make some pretty serious claims there Mr T.

BTW, isn't there a check of the nose gear on a regular basis? And wasn't this checked within the last 48 hours by the newly hired mooners?

[post="290600"][/post]​

it was on your watch, high and mighty

 

[FA Mikey]

KTO is dead on with this one those union A$$es have all but destroyed the spare parts and sabotaged the aircraft. Good going you unemployed ba$tards. 3 people was injured during evac of the 747 in guam while coming down the slides. union a$$es sabotaged the nose gear. I hope as hell the feds get your ignorant, stupid deadbeat a$$es :angry:

[post="290591"][/post]​

Guess that mokes you moe

 

[FA Mikey]

its all nuts and bolts my friend. airplanes are airplanes I'm working with the folks you call inexperienced and i've worked with those who have been laid off from the airlines. we"re alot safer now

[post="290599"][/post]​

Thats why we are afraid of you and your ilk.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

it was on your watch, high and mighty

[post="290604"][/post]​

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Hey Mr T.

"Why don't YOU go and *(edited by mod)* " !!!!!

I hope you wind up in JFK/LGA/EWR or BOS.

The "folks" there will take REAL good care of YOU, you (deleted).


NH/BB's

 

[aapitbull]

it was on your watch, high and mighty

[post="290604"][/post]​

Well a 747 flying in from japan no not on our watch that would have been a c-check in china and the last line check in japan none of them represented by AMFA.

This one belongs to northworst and their outsourcing.

Well I don't post much but it is good to see all you company suck asses still don't have a life. greetings CIO and others