Obamacare Update!

[SparrowHawk]

You don't think disdain and hate for Native Americans has a y thing to do with the failure of the programs 'designed' to help them?

The programs designed by the white man are for the white man. They are not and have not been designed with the Native Americans in mind. They were nomadic non - Christians (I believe the term was heathens) so they were completely different from us.

It does and it runs BOTH ways. Ever walked through the front door of an establishment with a sign on the door that says "No Dogs or Indians Allowed"? I have and it's as distasteful then (1974) as it is now. Much iif the hatred towards the Indians is an end result of the perception that Indians get a "free ride" from the government. This notion goes back to the days when those tribal members congregated around the forts looking for "Free Stuff"
 
I was less afraid in "da hood" in Camden or Philadelphia then I was driving through Pine Ridge. The hatred of the white man is so thick it cuts like a knife. I had some real doubts if I would get out alive.

 

[SparrowHawk]

You don't think disdain and hate for Native Americans has a y thing to do with the failure of the programs 'designed' to help them?

The programs designed by the white man are for the white man. They are not and have not been designed with the Native Americans in mind. They were nomadic non - Christians (I believe the term was heathens) so they were completely different from us.

It does and it runs BOTH ways. Ever walked through the front door of an establishment with a sign on the door that says "No Dogs or Indians Allowed"? I have and it's as distasteful then (1974) as it is now. Much iif the hatred towards the Indians is an end result of the perception that Indians get a "free ride" from the government. This notion goes back to the days when those tribal members congregated around the forts looking for "Free Stuff"
 
I was less afraid in "da hood" in Camden or Philadelphia then I was driving through Pine Ridge. The hatred of the white man is so thick it cuts like a knife. I had some real doubts if I would get out alive.

 

[Ms Tree]

Of course Native hate whites.  What we did to them is unconscionable.  I hope you are not saying the two side are 'equal' in their hate.  That is like saying the hate a rapist feels toward his victims is the dame as the hate the victim feels.    The hate toward Natives is not 'free stuff' based, at least that is not an excuse I have ever heard about in any large volume except for those trying to justify their hate.  The hate is largely religious in it's origin.  They were heathens from the get go and Manifest Destiny justified our expansion on to their lands.  Their asking for 'free 'stuff' was because we had taken their lives away and they had no means to survive any more.
 
Also, cars are not the same as land.  They used transportation before (horse) so to use cars is not a stretch.  To tell a nomadic people that you cannot wander any more and must stay put, which is in direct contradiction to their life is entirely different.  

 

[SparrowHawk]

Of course Native hate whites.  What we did to them is unconscionable.  I hope you are not saying the two side are 'equal' in their hate.  That is like saying the hate a rapist feels toward his victims is the dame as the hate the victim feels.    The hate toward Natives is not 'free stuff' based, at least that is not an excuse I have ever heard about in any large volume except for those trying to justify their hate.  The hate is largely religious in it's origin.  They were heathens from the get go and Manifest Destiny justified our expansion on to their lands.  Their asking for 'free 'stuff' was because we had taken their lives away and they had no means to survive any more.
 
Also, cars are not the same as land.  They used transportation before (horse) so to use cars is not a stretch.  To tell a nomadic people that you cannot wander any more and must stay put, which is in direct contradiction to their life is entirely different.  

Bottom line is they lost the wars.
 
Treating those who are different from you well and with respect has never been a character trait associated with humans. To deny this is to ignore history.
 
Hate being Religion based? Maybe. The Indians at the time were just plain different then the whites who conquered them. Was religion in the mix? Sure it was! Right next to skin color, tribal ways, definitions of what civilized is and the "Free Stuff" perception to the point where reservations had 2 types of Indian's, those who tried to keep the old ways and those who the other Indians called "Hangers around the Fort"
 
I think in today's climate the Indian's hate us more then we hate them. But it's a very close call. This is an opinion based upon direct observation, not some research paper. As to religion the teachings of the tribes is very similar to Christianity but without Jesus.

 

[SparrowHawk]

The number of Obamacare enrollments for top health insurer Aetna is plummeting, according to a report from Investor’s Business Daily.
Aetna’s enrollment reached 720,000 by May 20, after the final end to the the extended open enrollment period. But by the end of June Aetna had less than 600,000 paying customers, IBD reports, and the company expects paying customers to fall to “just over 500,000″ by the end of 2015. That would be a drop of just under 30 percent from the May sign-up numbers — the last time the Obama administration released its official Obamacare enrollment tally.
 
It appears that the voice of the people is not being heard El Presidente and his Crony Capitalist pals
 
Liberty rises one non payment of premiums at a time.

 

[Ms Tree]

And when they need health care which they cannot afford we can pay for it with increased taxes.  Yea!!!!

 

[SparrowHawk]

And when they need health care which they cannot afford we can pay for it with increased taxes.  Yea!!!!

 
(From CNBC.com)
Don’t believe the hype that insurance companies are getting squeezed on Obamacare. That’s the message from one of the architects of the president’s health-care law.
“All of these companies are expanding greatly in the exchanges,” Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, former special advisor on health policy, told CNBC’s “Squawk Box” on Friday. “Their revenues are up. Their profits are up. Their stocks are up. They’re not suffering because of” Obamacare.”
 
We only have to pay with increased taxes if we elect more of the same bunch of Crony Capitalists. ObamaCare is nothing more then a huge example of how Crony Capitalism destroys Liberty.
 
NOTE: No one was ever accused CNBC of being a bastion of Libertarian thought. When the Mainstream folks figure it out then it must be really bad.
 
RESIST! Do not sign up. Nullify the law.
 
[SIZE=13.333333015441895px]Obamacare is a colossal victory for corporatism, crony capitalism, soft fascism, call it what you want[/SIZE]

 

[Ms Tree]

So no one has to pay for the free medical care that people with no insurance receive?  Those cost do not get passed on to us?  Cool.  I did not know that. 
 
It's also a win for the folks who have not been able to afford health care and those who have pre-existing conditions who could not get coverage or shop around for better coverage.  

 

[SparrowHawk]

So no one has to pay for the free medical care that people with no insurance receive?  Those cost do not get passed on to us?  Cool.  I did not know that. 
 
It's also a win for the folks who have not been able to afford health care and those who have pre-existing conditions who could not get coverage or shop around for better coverage.  

Only if you're dumb enough to drink the Obama crony capitalist while they ram the costs up your assets and guarantee the donor, oops I mean Insurance companies a profit at the expense of your quality of Health care.

 

[Ms Tree]

No idea what that rant is all about.  
 
So long as there is profit motive in people poor health the health care system in this country will continue to deteriorate.  

 

[SparrowHawk]

No idea what that rant is all about.  
 
So long as there is profit motive in people poor health the health care system in this country will continue to deteriorate.  

Really? the slow and steady decline of the quality of health care provided runs almost exactly counter to the rise in the percentage of Government spending. Since the inception of MediCare the cost of Health Care has risen over 700%, while the overall inflation during the same time period was a few points under 200%.
 
I have recently connected with an old friend who is a Nurse Practitioner after 30 years as a BSN, Medical Case Manager and retired Major in the Air Force Reserves where she flew wounded soldiers back to the US and was in Desert Storm. So a lot of what I've been posting is right from the front lines and it's a pretty ugly picture. Obama, left to his own devices will ruin Health Care Quality in this country.

 

[Ms Tree]

Talking about ruining health care in the US is like talking about ruining Yugo.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Talking about ruining health care in the US is like talking about ruining Yugo.

How so? When Government throws money at a perceived "problem" costs rise, option diminish

 

[southwind]

And when they need health care which they cannot afford we can pay for it with increased taxes.  Yea!!!!

But, you being a Progressive Libtard, should not have a problem with increased taxes!

 

[Ms Tree]

But, you being a Progressive Libtard, should not have a problem with increased taxes!

So long as I am getting a return on the dollar no I do not.  Because I know that we can either pay a little now or a lot later.  Something that a regressive conservative like you cannot even begin to comprehend.