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http://www.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/health...lthtourism.html
18 Months for bypass surgery..... At least it's 'free' to die from congestive heart failure 🙄
18 Months for bypass surgery..... At least it's 'free' to die from congestive heart failure 🙄
http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/readm...?sNav=nr&id=550
The total waiting time for patients between referral from a general practitioner and treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, increased this year; rising to 17.7 weeks in 2003
• Wait times rose for access to both GPs and specialists
• Over 90 per cent of waiting times are considered beyond clinically “reasonable†times
• Waits for magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), computed tomography (CT), and ultrasound scans also increased
The waiting time between referral by a GP and consultation with a specialist rose to 8.3 weeks,
Waiting time between specialist consultation and treatment -- the second stage of waiting -- increased for Canada as a whole between 2001-02 and 2003, rising from 9.2 to 9.5 weeks.
In contrast, patients waited longest between a GP visit and orthopaedic surgery (32.2 weeks), ophthalmology treatment (30 weeks), and plastic surgery (28.6 weeks).
Surely the poor kid in need of an MRI has no troubles in the great white north.....
The median wait across Canada for a CT scan was 5.5 weeks.
The median wait for an MRI across Canada was 12.7 weeks.
In addition to actual waiting times for care, specialists are also surveyed as to what they regard as clinically “reasonable†waiting times. In 92 percent of the 118 categories surveyed (some comparisons were precluded by unavailable data), actual waiting time exceeded reasonable waiting time.
Overall, the waiting time to see a psychiatrist on an urgent basis was 2 weeks, both for Canada as a whole and in most provinces. The waiting time for referrals on an elective basis was 8.5 weeks.
lets just hope if you decide to end it all, it's via a diet, starving death may even get you before you could see a shrink.....
The total waiting time for patients between referral from a general practitioner and treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, increased this year; rising to 17.7 weeks in 2003
• Wait times rose for access to both GPs and specialists
• Over 90 per cent of waiting times are considered beyond clinically “reasonable†times
• Waits for magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), computed tomography (CT), and ultrasound scans also increased
The waiting time between referral by a GP and consultation with a specialist rose to 8.3 weeks,
Waiting time between specialist consultation and treatment -- the second stage of waiting -- increased for Canada as a whole between 2001-02 and 2003, rising from 9.2 to 9.5 weeks.
In contrast, patients waited longest between a GP visit and orthopaedic surgery (32.2 weeks), ophthalmology treatment (30 weeks), and plastic surgery (28.6 weeks).
Surely the poor kid in need of an MRI has no troubles in the great white north.....
The median wait across Canada for a CT scan was 5.5 weeks.
The median wait for an MRI across Canada was 12.7 weeks.
In addition to actual waiting times for care, specialists are also surveyed as to what they regard as clinically “reasonable†waiting times. In 92 percent of the 118 categories surveyed (some comparisons were precluded by unavailable data), actual waiting time exceeded reasonable waiting time.
Overall, the waiting time to see a psychiatrist on an urgent basis was 2 weeks, both for Canada as a whole and in most provinces. The waiting time for referrals on an elective basis was 8.5 weeks.
lets just hope if you decide to end it all, it's via a diet, starving death may even get you before you could see a shrink.....
Well in this country you have the God given American right to die or become a vegetable while being defrauded by an HMO or insurance company.Busdrvr said:
You talk about the UK. What about Germany, Sweden, and the other European countries. What are their systems like?
It is ridiculus. People in this country feel like they have a constitutional right for safe cheap airtravel coast to coast for $49 but not affordable quality healthcare.
Busdrvr said:http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/readm...?sNav=nr&id=550
The total waiting time for patients between referral from a general practitioner and treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, increased this year; rising to 17.7 weeks in 2003
• Wait times rose for access to both GPs and specialists
• Over 90 per cent of waiting times are considered beyond clinically “reasonable†times
• Waits for magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), computed tomography (CT), and ultrasound scans also increased
The waiting time between referral by a GP and consultation with a specialist rose to 8.3 weeks,
Waiting time between specialist consultation and treatment -- the second stage of waiting -- increased for Canada as a whole between 2001-02 and 2003, rising from 9.2 to 9.5 weeks.
In contrast, patients waited longest between a GP visit and orthopaedic surgery (32.2 weeks), ophthalmology treatment (30 weeks), and plastic surgery (28.6 weeks).
Surely the poor kid in need of an MRI has no troubles in the great white north.....
The median wait across Canada for a CT scan was 5.5 weeks.
The median wait for an MRI across Canada was 12.7 weeks.
In addition to actual waiting times for care, specialists are also surveyed as to what they regard as clinically “reasonable†waiting times. In 92 percent of the 118 categories surveyed (some comparisons were precluded by unavailable data), actual waiting time exceeded reasonable waiting time.
Overall, the waiting time to see a psychiatrist on an urgent basis was 2 weeks, both for Canada as a whole and in most provinces. The waiting time for referrals on an elective basis was 8.5 weeks.
lets just hope if you decide to end it all, it's via a diet, starving death may even get you before you could see a shrink.....
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It would be interesting to know if they run the MRI and CT scan facilities 24 hours a day 7 days a week. If they don't then they should start because this would decrease the waiting time. Also they could buy more machines.
After reading your links and considering the situation in this country one can see the difference in the two systems.
In the socialist medical system everyone gets care but they have to wait longer than in the US to get to use it. And yes I will concede that some people may die while waiting. They could decrease the wait time by buying more equipment and running everything 24/7.
In the capitalist medical system (US) the wait time is shorter but at the expense of some people being totally denied resulting in death or vegetation. The high price demanded by the providers put it out reach of the unisured and cause the insurance companies/HMOs to instruct doctors to avoid ordering these expensive tests because it will affect their bottom line.
In summary, in the socialist system, everybody gets it but everybody waits. In the capitalist system some get it quickly at the expense of those who are totally denied.
In the socialist medical system everyone gets care but they have to wait longer than in the US to get to use it. And yes I will concede that some people may die while waiting. They could decrease the wait time by buying more equipment and running everything 24/7.
In the capitalist medical system (US) the wait time is shorter but at the expense of some people being totally denied resulting in death or vegetation. The high price demanded by the providers put it out reach of the unisured and cause the insurance companies/HMOs to instruct doctors to avoid ordering these expensive tests because it will affect their bottom line.
In summary, in the socialist system, everybody gets it but everybody waits. In the capitalist system some get it quickly at the expense of those who are totally denied.
Busdrvr said:
How many die here because they are totally denied? I have read/heard the figure 10,000 per year mentioned. And no I can't post a link because I read or heard this a few years ago when someone was comparing the number we lost on 9/11 to the number of people that die yearly in the U.S. due to lack of accessable health care.
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We have the best medical system in the world! where else can you go across the border illegally and have kids, get sick or hurt without ever shelling out a dime? who cares, the honest hard working American can pick up the Tab. California spends billions on medical treatment for the illegal aliens and thats just one state, and people complain about our high medical cost, yet say we should be compassionate. We can't be all things to all people as the current President would lead us to believe, lest we all become like the Chinese!
I agree with your statement. But we need to take care of our own working class citizens first by working for a system where all LAW ABIDING American citizens can get affordable quality medical. I can remember a time in this country when medical wasn't a problem. When I was at EAL, whenever you had a medical claim you would just fill out a form in administration and EAL (or their insurance company) paid it all. No deductables, copayments, out of pocket maximums, and no payroll deductions. The other airlines were pretty much the same. When it comes to illegal immigration (dirt cheap labor), in Bush's eyes, the more the better.local 12 proud said:
Bear96 said:
typical, you grab a sentence and spin it out of context. A POOR FAMILY GETS FREEEEEEEEEE HEALTHCARE, and guess what, they don't have to wait 6 months for an MRI.
The point is that Cat care is NOT that expensive. You can get a fairly cheap plan to SUPPLEMENT a work plan with high deductables.
I noticed you deep thinking leftist didn't bother to do the research on all the other economic figures of the countries you wish to emulate. Had you done that, you'd realize that the average U.S. worker makes so much more that he could easily cover the cost of added insurance, and have plenty left over. But it's the typical leftist metality that it is better that we all have $5 instead of me having $20 and you having $10. 🙄 :huh: Boo Hoo, lifes not fair.
aafsc said:
The United States is the only country in the world that allows a person to make money off of sick people. Especially stock holders. It's easy to start a medical supply business and make a killing (no pun intended). If a person feels safe and secure with his life he will not lock his door, not buy a gun and kill his neighbor when he is scared. True happiness cannot be found under these conditions. The Danish and Scandinavians have found this out a long time ago.
Busdrvr said:
Clearly, you have your countries/continents mixed up. If any country in the world has the reputation for letting people die before surgery, it is definitely the United States. Anywhere you go in the world, you will find that the consensus among foreigners is that American medical facilities will ask for your credit or insurance card before they even touch you, and if you don't have it, then tough crap for you. I have walked numerous times into hospitals in the E.U. and received free care --no questions asked. I have no doubt in my mind that these places would operate me if the need arose. That is a sign of a country that puts life ahead of bucks. You can make your arguments about America the beautiful with regard to many things, but when it comes to managing care (I am not talking about research or medical technology), America does not compete with the best --sorry.
