aafsc said:Because they don't need them.
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they would whenever loved ones died on the waiting list for simple medical procedures we take for granted like bypass surgery.
aafsc said:Because they don't need them.
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Well in this country you have the God given American right to die or become a vegetable while being defrauded by an HMO or insurance company.Busdrvr said:http://www.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/health...lthtourism.html
18 Months for bypass surgery..... At least it's 'free' to die from congestive heart failure 🙄
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Busdrvr said:http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/readm...?sNav=nr&id=550
The total waiting time for patients between referral from a general practitioner and treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, increased this year; rising to 17.7 weeks in 2003
• Wait times rose for access to both GPs and specialists
• Over 90 per cent of waiting times are considered beyond clinically “reasonable†times
• Waits for magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), computed tomography (CT), and ultrasound scans also increased
The waiting time between referral by a GP and consultation with a specialist rose to 8.3 weeks,
Waiting time between specialist consultation and treatment -- the second stage of waiting -- increased for Canada as a whole between 2001-02 and 2003, rising from 9.2 to 9.5 weeks.
In contrast, patients waited longest between a GP visit and orthopaedic surgery (32.2 weeks), ophthalmology treatment (30 weeks), and plastic surgery (28.6 weeks).
Surely the poor kid in need of an MRI has no troubles in the great white north.....
The median wait across Canada for a CT scan was 5.5 weeks.
The median wait for an MRI across Canada was 12.7 weeks.
In addition to actual waiting times for care, specialists are also surveyed as to what they regard as clinically “reasonable†waiting times. In 92 percent of the 118 categories surveyed (some comparisons were precluded by unavailable data), actual waiting time exceeded reasonable waiting time.
Overall, the waiting time to see a psychiatrist on an urgent basis was 2 weeks, both for Canada as a whole and in most provinces. The waiting time for referrals on an elective basis was 8.5 weeks.
lets just hope if you decide to end it all, it's via a diet, starving death may even get you before you could see a shrink.....
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aafsc said:After reading your links and considering the situation in this country one can see the difference in the two systems.
In the socialist medical system everyone gets care but they have to wait longer than in the US to get to use it. And yes I will concede that some people may die while waiting. They could decrease the wait time by buying more equipment and running everything 24/7.
In the capitalist medical system (US) the wait time is shorter but at the expense of some people being totally denied resulting in death or vegetation. The high price demanded by the providers put it out reach of the unisured and cause the insurance companies/HMOs to instruct doctors to avoid ordering these expensive tests because it will affect their bottom line.
In summary, in the socialist system, everybody gets it but everybody waits. In the capitalist system some get it quickly at the expense of those who are totally denied.
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Busdrvr said:Wrong, in the socialist system, many DIE waiting. MORE would die waiting, but lucky for them, there are stil places they can go (like the U.S.) to BUY the services the medical utopias are unable to provide.
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Sounds like the perfect plan for a poor family.Busdrvr said:Do you know how much health insurance would cost for a family of four who is at or below the poverty level? The premiums would exceed the gross income of the family.
$196 a month for a Catastrophic care plan with a $1,000,000 lifetime max and a $10,000 deductable.Â[post="263055"][/post]
I agree with your statement. But we need to take care of our own working class citizens first by working for a system where all LAW ABIDING American citizens can get affordable quality medical. I can remember a time in this country when medical wasn't a problem. When I was at EAL, whenever you had a medical claim you would just fill out a form in administration and EAL (or their insurance company) paid it all. No deductables, copayments, out of pocket maximums, and no payroll deductions. The other airlines were pretty much the same. When it comes to illegal immigration (dirt cheap labor), in Bush's eyes, the more the better.local 12 proud said:We have the best medical system in the world! where else can you go across the border illegally and have kids, get sick or hurt without ever shelling out a dime? who cares, the honest hard working American can pick up the Tab. California spends billions on medical treatment for the illegal aliens and thats just one state, and people complain about our high medical cost, yet say we should be compassionate. We can't be all things to all people as the current President would lead us to believe, lest we all become like the Chinese!
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Bear96 said:Sounds like the perfect plan for a poor family.
But, as long as you got yours, busdrvr, I guess its OK to screw the rest...
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aafsc said:Excellent post. I asked a coworker who lived in Canada and whose mother is Canadian about their medical system. He told me that they do pay higher taxes but that everyone is covered and gets the same quality of care; from the richest man in Canada to the homeless person who lives under the bridge. It is been proven in study after study that Americans pay the highest by far for medical per capita than any other country yet the quality is below that of Europe and Canada and not everyone in the US is covered. MY coworker says that they tell lies about the Canadian system because the insurance and drug companies make a huge fortune in this country. If they spent $1 billion to defeat Clinton's proposed plan, that should give you a clue as to how much of a fortune they make. I believe that Borescope is an AMT for UAL. If UAL does go under and he loses his medical insurance his views regarding our "wonderful capitalist" medical system would probably change pretty quick.
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..........and your post is about oil how???????????? 😛Crapdog said:
The United States is the only country in the world that allows a person to make money off of sick people. Especially stock holders. It's easy to start a medical supply business and make a killing (no pun intended). If a person feels safe and secure with his life he will not lock his door, not buy a gun and kill his neighbor when he is scared. True happiness cannot be found under these conditions. The Danish and Scandinavians have found this out a long time ago.
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Busdrvr said:Wrong, in the socialist system, many DIE waiting. MORE would die waiting, but lucky for them, there are stil places they can go (like the U.S.) to BUY the services the medical utopias are unable to provide.
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