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scab scraper said:
So, you came back (at least under this name) to complain and post the same old stuff. Big deal.
Ok, Let's Say Nw Goes On Strike..
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So, you came back (at least under this name) to complain and post the same old stuff. Big deal.
aafsc,Aug 23 2005, 02:21 PM]
Well Bob we agree that if the IAM walked at NW the effects would be immediate.
Not quite. Any effect would be immediate and would taper off rapidly over time, IF NWA did not have anything setup, my guess is they do, otherwise the effect wopuld be minimal. The IAM is the most vulnerable group because they could set things up unnoticed.If the IAM had gone first AMFA would have honored their picket lines, that would have added to the impact and would stifle the companys ability to rebound.
The cutoff of cash flow would be instantaneous and all the airlines are tight on cash now.
Well in order to try and bust AMFA they already spent a couple of hundred million $.
So the questions would be, How quick could NW get back to schedule if the IAM walked? And how much cash would they burn before they can? The pilots at NW would not walk for themselves let alone anyone else because they are in a lose lose situation. IF they walk NW goes Ch.11 and they wave goodbye to their pensions for sure just as UA and US pilots lost their pensions in Ch.11. They will capitulate as long as they see a ray of hope of preventing their pensions from going to the PBGC.
So with the pilots ready to go and the planes ready to go with outside contractors made up of locally hired scabs, and the scabs helping to load on OT they may not miss a beat.
As for contracting out cabin, yes AA did that but it was an orderly transition. What AA doesn't realize is the amount they save in wages they are losing in "a sudden decrease in cabin supplies inventory."
Well I'm not arguening the merits of contracting out but to the bean counters it "saves" money. By the way it would take a lot of rolls of toilet paper to offset the costs of six weeks paid vacation. The transition of other work groups could be just as orderly.
When AA got EAL's MIA hub and routes they needed to hire hundreds of people very quickly. They hired a large number of ex-EAL in MIA who were already trained and some of them believe it or not was in their late 50s and early 60s. They needed to get people fast to work the newly acquired routes.
And there are a lot of laid off airline workers out there now too.
I certainly hope the IAM folks at NW are preparing themselves appropriately for what may lie ahead.
I wish them well. Maybe when things settle down they will hold their so called leaders accountable and go Teamsters, along with the rest of us so we can actually put industrial unionism to the test, we know what a failure business unionism has been.
Well Bob we agree that if the IAM walked at NW the effects would be immediate.
Not quite. Any effect would be immediate and would taper off rapidly over time, IF NWA did not have anything setup, my guess is they do, otherwise the effect wopuld be minimal. The IAM is the most vulnerable group because they could set things up unnoticed.If the IAM had gone first AMFA would have honored their picket lines, that would have added to the impact and would stifle the companys ability to rebound.
The cutoff of cash flow would be instantaneous and all the airlines are tight on cash now.
Well in order to try and bust AMFA they already spent a couple of hundred million $.
So the questions would be, How quick could NW get back to schedule if the IAM walked? And how much cash would they burn before they can? The pilots at NW would not walk for themselves let alone anyone else because they are in a lose lose situation. IF they walk NW goes Ch.11 and they wave goodbye to their pensions for sure just as UA and US pilots lost their pensions in Ch.11. They will capitulate as long as they see a ray of hope of preventing their pensions from going to the PBGC.
So with the pilots ready to go and the planes ready to go with outside contractors made up of locally hired scabs, and the scabs helping to load on OT they may not miss a beat.
As for contracting out cabin, yes AA did that but it was an orderly transition. What AA doesn't realize is the amount they save in wages they are losing in "a sudden decrease in cabin supplies inventory."
Well I'm not arguening the merits of contracting out but to the bean counters it "saves" money. By the way it would take a lot of rolls of toilet paper to offset the costs of six weeks paid vacation. The transition of other work groups could be just as orderly.
When AA got EAL's MIA hub and routes they needed to hire hundreds of people very quickly. They hired a large number of ex-EAL in MIA who were already trained and some of them believe it or not was in their late 50s and early 60s. They needed to get people fast to work the newly acquired routes.
And there are a lot of laid off airline workers out there now too.
I certainly hope the IAM folks at NW are preparing themselves appropriately for what may lie ahead.
I wish them well. Maybe when things settle down they will hold their so called leaders accountable and go Teamsters, along with the rest of us so we can actually put industrial unionism to the test, we know what a failure business unionism has been.
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Bob Owens said:
I strongly protest your intimation that a TWU apparatchik would engage in such activities.
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scab scraper said:let me just ask something here
bob owens works for AA? yes/no?
dAAve stewart works for AA? yes/no?
amfa(PUKE)man? works for AA? yes/no?
hackman works for AA? yes/no?
proamfa(PUKE) works for AA? yes/no?
buckhead works for AA? yes/no?
tiny kinny mc works for AA? yes/no?
whats the point you say? the point is you all know who you are & how long you have been @ AA & even some of you have tried to be involved w/TWU but, have failed. so, you try something else amfa (PUKE) a "stand alone" ASSOciation well, the question still remains after all the years y'all put in @ AA why you still here/there/ where ever you are? why not msp/dtw? southwest/alaska?
i tried to get a UNION in the place i used to work. the people didn't want it. i left!!
another place i worked they threw out a union & wanted another one. sounded wrong to me so , i left!! started @ AA, UNION... good one ....solid...united... i have a voice & wasn't afraid to use it & when things don't/ didn't sound right to me i asked questions READ the contract asked questions got answers.
do i like what happened in '01 no but, you know...I"M STILL WORKING!!!!!
still @ AA, still supporting my family, my community, my UNION.
you guys can all sit @ your computers @ write all this stuff & say all these things about standing up etc... but, what you are is ignorant!!!!!!
amfa(PUKE) has did this to themselves.
been away from this site for a while & when i come back to read some it is still the same
AFL-CIO/ATD/TWU=SCABFREE
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In the memorable words of Ralph Cramden, HAAR, HAAR, HARDEE, HAAR, HAAR !
This scab scraper can't be for real! This clown is straight out of a Walgreens commercial. He must live in Perfect!
What a fool! He's happy to ..just have a job brother... I'm sure scabs justify their dastardly deeds in the same manner.
What a good corporate slave. I'm sure his TWU/AA masters are proud! :down:
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