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Ummm...not exactly big shot. The IAM reached agreements with management while in bankruptcy for massive concessions. These weren't exactly forced down your throats by management or a bankruptcy judge without your input. You, after the IAM negotiated them, voted for the scalping you received in bankruptcy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ess=102x2043452

I espscially liked this little quote from IAM leadership,

"The negotiating committee unanimously recommends ratification of the agreement to avoid the elimination of our contract,â€￾ said Bobby DePace, president of District 143 of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12866735/

Seems perhaps your anger should be vented in another direction.
We did vent and Bobby is out of office. He isn't the only one that needs to be thrown off the island. Richard and his goons would be the next to go if left up to me. Their constant attacks on the working man in an effort to line his pockets is in excusable.

I also wanted to thank you for the kind words for my future. I do understand that "throwing bags" is not a really marketable skill, but my mid west work ethic is and I have been re-educationing myself. As a 777 pilot you probably have zero worries of being laid off. Your junior pilot had better learn some new skills before the integration of the two group as the Home Depot isn't hiring right now.

Pull up, thing get small. Push forward things get big. Look, I'm a pilot too like half the ramp in my station.

I will try not to let one ass ruin it for the rest of the great men I have met in my time at NWA.
 
I will try not to let one ass ruin it for the rest of the great men I have met in my time at NWA.

Bagboy, you're on the right track...don't let one or two ______'s ruin it for you. I will tell you a little secret: There are a few DL pilots who want pilots to be the Big Man On Campus, in other words, the only group w/ a contract. A DL pilot admitted this to me once when we were campaigning for AFA. He said personally, he thought we needed union representation BUT professionally, he didn't want any other groups to mess up their (pilots') (semi-)control of the slicing of the proverbial pie. Most are supportive of other depts having a CBA, but there are a few out there....you know 'em, the 'Me, me, me, me; it's- all- about- ME' crowd. :down:
 
Bagboy, you're on the right track...don't let one or two ______'s ruin it for you. I will tell you a little secret: There are a few DL pilots who want pilots to be the Big Man On Campus, in other words, the only group w/ a contract. A DL pilot admitted this to me once when we were campaigning for AFA. He said personally, he thought we needed union representation BUT professionally, he didn't want any other groups to mess up their (pilots') (semi-)control of the slicing of the proverbial pie. Most are supportive of other depts having a CBA, but there are a few out there....you know 'em, the 'Me, me, me, me; it's- all- about- ME' crowd. :down:

Hence the can of worms a union presents. Look at GM and UAW for a prime example.
 
Is there a question/point in there somewhere?
If it wasn't for the incompetence of GM's leadership and stradegy to develope fuel efficient vehicles. I don't believe they would be in this mess....GM had a great concept with the electric car(EV-1) look it up and you will see what kind of decision making GM's leadership has made. To reward incompetence is stupid..........
 
If it wasn't for the incompetence of GM leadership and stradegy to develope fuel efficient vehicles. I don't believe they would be in this mess....GM had a great concept with the electric car look it up and you will see what kind of decision making GM's leadership has made. To reward incompetence is stupid..........

No argument there, the management has suffered from being short sided for decades. No its a case of being to little to late.
 
Hence the can of worms a union presents. Look at GM and UAW for a prime example.

Johnny-One-Note (sigh)

It's a great song by Rodgers & Hart though. It's about a guy who could only sing one note....loud, long, and often. Sound familiar? 😀
 
Johnny-One-Note (sigh)

It's a great song by Rodgers & Hart though. It's about a guy who could only sing one note....loud, long, and often. Sound familiar? 😀

Sometimes one note says it all rather then a long winded, drawn out, tiresome opera-drama. Sound familiar? 😀
 
Hence the can of worms a union presents. Look at GM and UAW for a prime example.

QUOTE (2BlacknBlue @ Nov 12 2008, 02:19 PM)
It IS the case! O.K., I'll play along but riddle me this. After the January 2009 increase, there will be DL workgroups that continue to be 17% below the "industry standard". When will the next increase be and at what increase interval is DL going to ensure that these employees are at "industry standard" by December 31, 2010?

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Please place your answer here and do not look at other students papers.
 
QUOTE (2BlacknBlue @ Nov 12 2008, 02:19 PM)
It IS the case! O.K., I'll play along but riddle me this. After the January 2009 increase, there will be DL workgroups that continue to be 17% below the "industry standard". When will the next increase be and at what increase interval is DL going to ensure that these employees are at "industry standard" by December 31, 2010?

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Please place your answer here and do not look at other students papers.

You have the same info I have access to, so check it out for yourself. Its all there in black and white. No matter as you are sure to put some kind of spin on it anyways.
 
You have the same info I have access to, so check it out for yourself. Its all there in black and white. No matter as you are sure to put some kind of spin on it anyways.

Ohhh, I see. You mean where DL states, "DL is committed to reaching industry standard
pay by the end of 2010, and continues to provide pay increases at regular intervals to reach this commitment"? <_<

...and you're right. I do have access to the same info that you do....and pay rates and dates for "industry standard" pay increases DO NOT EXIST!

Sell your mis-information elsewhere!
 
Hence the can of worms a union presents. Look at GM and UAW for a prime example.

You lost me there...

So how is a few pilot's contempt for their co-workers a reflection on unionism as whole?

You're really grasping at straws there...


No argument there, the management has suffered from being short sided for decades.

Are you talking about GM or NW/DL? Your statement is certainly applicable to both.

Richard Anderson= Rick Wagoner




You have the same info I have access to, so check it out for yourself. Its all there in black and white. No matter as you are sure to put some kind of spin on it anyways.

Where in black and white does it say that they can't/won't take it right back? Now that I have DeltaNet access, maybe you can show me where that is? Thanks.
 
I am just wondering why some of these folks can't answer why it is OK for Anderson and gang...and pilots to have a contract but not the rest of the employees?

Ya think Anderson would work for verbal "regular intervals" for his pay and massive bonuses? Wonder why the pilots aren't so trusting? I wonder why their pay increases are so much higher than the non union employees?

It must be nice for them to know how much they will be making in a year down the road.

It must be nice for Anderson to say one thing about a "direct relationship" for employees..YET, he doesn't believe in it for himself. One would expect a great leader, such as himself, to lead by example. It appears Anderson only believes in a "DIRECT RELATIONSHIP" with his CONTRACT...and his "DIRECT DEPOSIT" of his CONTRACTUAL TENS OF MILLIONS.

I'd say Mr. Anderson, other New Delta executives, and pilots, are VERY SMART people. What does that say about people who don't have CONTRACTS and believe in a "Direct Relationship"? They must be smarter than Anderson, New Delta executives...and the pilots. Reflected in their NON UNION compensation.

Just curious...
 
Perhaps i would better be able to understand your disdain for Delta Management/Employees "marching along together", as you put it, if the all-powerful NWA unions hadn't allowed their Management to take their employees to cleaners as well. All that glitters isn't gold my friend.

Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Then allow me to explain,once again. First of all the IAM and AMFA are no employee friendly unions. AMFA is not even a union. They've well hidden their base in diverse realestate holdings through a company called the McCormick group. They've been asked numerous times about that and have dodged that question like world class politicians. (Read company union). There are many unions that have been bought and payed for by the same global nation busters. The IAM is one. The Teamsters are not,but they have them hamstrung with government oversight.

Disdain for Delta; In the early nineteen-nineties when a group of retirees started a class-action against the company for cutting off their retirement medical, a federal court judge named Tidwell ruled that class action couldn't be held. The man magically became a two million plus frequent flyer.
Worst of all was that this case set a legal precedent that flowed across the U.S. One of the first major cases that set it in stone took the medical insurance away from eighty thousand G.M. non-union retirees.

Shall I go on ? How about how marriages of employees that are union organizers are undermined. Or how local law enforcement is used to try and intimidate organizers. Or how they plant open liquor bottles in the vehicles of organizers, and then make anonomous phone calls to the cops so that they'll be pulled over as they leave work.
There's also psychological manipulation of the organizer his family his friends,his clergy people. Inuendo is a favorite tactic of their union busting ilk also.

To me the absolute worst thing you can do to a loyal employee that has served your company,bragged about your company, lived and breathed the pride you feel with knowing that this company appreciates you as a human being and an asset, is to wait till that employee retires after twenty or thirty or forty years and then yank his medical insurance.

I can't possibly describe the disdain I felt for Delta, and the empathy I felt for the retirees that had to come to that realization. In other words, you're out of here now,we couldn't care less about you.

When you've met some of those retirees right after it happened and looked at their faces, you'd have to be one cold bastard not to care.
 
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