One Single Local for AMT's

[Bob Owens]

heads up bob we aren't 24-7-365 in tulsa

Since when? They have the 1/7th, so not a full scedule but they do have some operations there that rund 24-7-365

 

[Overspeed]

Membership apathy is a huge problem, dont you think removing the locals would add to that?

Yes and no depending on how you eliminated Locals. The local autonomy has its up and down sides. Some Locals have so many LOAs the book is like the Old Testament and we keep finding clay pots in caves with secret scrolls.

The TWU system of Locals was created based on an AA that doesn't exist anymore. RDU, BNA, STL, and SFO/SJC aren't hubs anymore and have dramatically less headcount. Instead of going to one local maybe it would be better to realign the membership/local system to reflect today's membership needs at AA.

And part of our negotiations logjam is due to 20 plus locals sending people to meetings. Can't get anything done. Need a more effective system that still gives a voice to the needs of the members from different parts of the country. Find ways of using technology to connect better to the ADHD membership we have now.

 

[Flying low]

Set up a secure website and do it online.
Let's face it with 24-7-365 operations there's no way all the members could attend a meeting at the same time anyway. However if you set up your debates online everyone could see what others have on their mind. Threads could be started based on motions, leave the thread open for a week, this way everyone can read or contribute to the debate and then close the thread and vote. This would allow a broader range of perspectives, the guy on nights in the Northeast could read how the guy on the west coast on days sees things. Security would of course be an issue but that's always been the case, there have always been suck ups that run up to management telling them what happens at meetings anyway. This could increase participation as the polls would essentially be open 24 hours and they could vote from home. Another positive point is we all know how some members always try to seize the floor and drone on endlessly about an issue that only concerns them, well members would not have to sit through that anymore, they could scroll on by.

Sorry, won't work. Just look at all the name calling, grade school playground talk that has been posted on this forum. Nothing would get accomplished
I can see it now, someone makes a motion -- response would be "you little dirt wad, grow up....." or "it's all Tulsa's fault"..... 😉

 

[Overspeed]

At AA we have two other unions that have conducted successful strikes over the last twenty years and have better particiaption than we do. Both are centralized.

Their spokemen say "give us the money" our appointed ones say "these are the worst times since the Great Depression" or "We need to put this in our rear view mirror and do whats best for AA". (In the meantime our appointed spokesmen continue to get annual raises on top of their six figure incomes, they are enjoying the best of times while crying poor mouth for the company to the people they are supposed to represent.)

Successful? Didn't both of those groups go to PEB/arbitration under the direction of the President? Then why waste time with a strike or asking for a release? Ask for binding arbitration on the remaining issues now if that's what you term a success?

 

[Bob Owens]

Sorry, won't work. Just look at all the name calling, grade school playground talk that has been posted on this forum. Nothing would get accomplished
I can see it now, someone makes a motion -- response would be "you little dirt wad, grow up....." or "it's all Tulsa's fault"..... 😉

No aliases, real names.

 

[Bob Owens]

Yes and no depending on how you eliminated Locals. The local autonomy has its up and down sides. Some Locals have so many LOAs the book is like the Old Testament and we keep finding clay pots in caves with secret scrolls.

The TWU system of Locals was created based on an AA that doesn't exist anymore. RDU, BNA, STL, and SFO/SJC aren't hubs anymore and have dramatically less headcount. Instead of going to one local maybe it would be better to realign the membership/local system to reflect today's membership needs at AA.

And part of our negotiations logjam is due to 20 plus locals sending people to meetings. Can't get anything done. Need a more effective system that still gives a voice to the needs of the members from different parts of the country. Find ways of using technology to connect better to the ADHD membership we have now.

Translation;
Overspreed to HSS-STFU!

 

[Bob Owens]

Successful? Didn't both of those groups go to PEB/arbitration under the direction of the President? Then why waste time with a strike or asking for a release? Ask for binding arbitration on the remaining issues now if that's what you term a success?

Both groups pay less for their Medical than we do. Both are better situated among their peer groups than we are as well. So yes, I would say that measured against us they have been successful.

Binding Arbitration? No Way. Its binding, they dont have to be fair. The parties have to accept whatever he decides. In a PEB the goal is to broker something thats acceptable to both sides, the PEB issues a recommendation, there is more of an incentive to be fair.

After reading excepts of Donnelly crap to fleet my trust for the International has sunk even lower. I would not put it past them to push for a crap deal in the hopes of teaching the members a lesson for turning down the TA, then trying to spin it and say, "Dont blame the International the Arbitaritor screwed us so next time just vote YES." Of course they would argue to have the minutes sealed so we would not be able to see the weak case they put forward.

 

[Buck]

Since when? They have the 1/7th, so not a full scedule but they do have some operations there that rund 24-7-365

That is correct. 1D in TUL is a 24/7/365. It is a 7 day coverage line, but a 5/8 schedule. But I assure you the weekends count and there are a large number of dock personal here every weekend and some have other days off by choice.

There is division in the TWU. While I believe that the online single local could be the way to go and become very effective, we first need to get past the infighting among the docks/shops. Our Labor Loans were fighting with the dock members this week because management was stopping the overtime at the dock crew without asking the labor loans. Instead of trying to work it out and go after the problem.


Under "Robert's Rules of Order", how can I be out of order brother over the Wi-Fi? 🙄

The TWU is as old as the "Dead Sea Scolls"?

 

[Observer]

We're weak and fractured and speaking with many voices. AMT's should be one single local and acting as one.

Be careful what you ask for, as this was a thought a certain president from 565 had about 10 years ago, and of course the home of the local would be DFW because of the company hdqts being there.

 

[Buck]

Be careful what you ask for, as this was a thought a certain president from 565 had about 10 years ago, and of course the home of the local would be DFW because of the company hdqts being there.

Doesn't Local 514 have more members than anywhere else?

 

[xUT]

No aliases, real names.

How would you stop people from making a video and posting it on the internet?
Union meetings are meant to be private for the membership only, but we all know some members would eat their own young.

JMHO,
B) xUT

 

[proAMT]

Yes, yes, a consolidation of power. Power put in the hands of people who must perform for the benefit of the membership or commit political suicide. After all the membership would elect this guy. I believe the elections should be a runoff scenario similar to the pilots union so that our local president wields the power of the majority of the membership rather than a small minority.

Tulsa has aircraft technicians so naturally the mechanic side of the house would be included.

Each station would have union officials that would act as liason between the station and the local president. Local meetings held online and live. No more local charities and minor league teams plundering the treasury, no more duplication of costs. Our money would go toward defending technicians and improving the profession.

The local acting as one powerful national voice. No more stations acting on their own accord in desperation because of a leadership vacuum. Every stations mechanics acting in unison as one.

Hayes
SEA

 

[TWU informer]

What is the plan to make this happen?

Right after we get Direct Election of TWU International Officers?

 

[Buck]

How are the Fleet Service members at this local going to take part? Is it a maintenance local or a TWU local for all groups, like Local 514?

 

[proAMT]

What is the plan to make this happen?

Right after we get Direct Election of TWU International Officers?

The plan is a pipe dream. The only way it would see daylight is if the mechanics had the ability to make the International an offer they couldn't refuse.

We can stand together or be picked apart.