Phoenix

[eolesen]

So FT headcount will go up and PT headcount will go down? Is that correct?

It's possible that actually could happen in some stations. Overall, the percentage of FT😛T will be higher after the RIF's than before the RIF's.

 

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It's possible that actually could happen in some stations. Overall, the percentage of FT😛T will be higher after the RIF's than before the RIF's.

But according to their TWU contract, I believe when there is a RIF, a 1:1 ratio (FT/PT) will apply to system wide. So how can AA add FT when they are laying off PT.

 

[AMFAMAN]

But according to their TWU contract, I believe when there is a RIF, a 1:1 ratio (FT/PT) will apply to system wide. So how can AA add FT when they are laying off PT.

After consulting with the twu, the answer is - "They can do that brother." 😛

 

[eolesen]

But according to their TWU contract, I believe when there is a RIF, a 1:1 ratio (FT/PT) will apply to system wide. So how can AA add FT when they are laying off PT.

Got me -- I'm just relaying what I was told.

Reading Article 43(B), the intent of the language appears to be capping part time on the high side, meaning that PT heads could only be added if an equal number of FT heads were added/recalled, but there's a side letter which backs up what you're saying and sets a PT floor as well.

 

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Anyone know what the FINAL headcount, FT/PT, is at phoenix? If there was a layoff, what were the options in terms of stations/locations that were offered to those who were affected? Thanks.

 

[manuutd]

RIF was just completed here in Phoenix are original headcount was 24 F/T & 36 P/T. We now have 40 F/T & 10 P/T
11 of the P/T had recall rights back to F/T with the remaining P/T blended in seniority order according to article 12 attachment A. We where able to save alot of our own people based on this attachment, seeing has there where quite alot of twa people on the recall list. Are junior person in the station has 10/89 seniority.

The following cities where listed on my RIF.
F/T MCIE STL ATL BOS DAL DFW JFK LAX MEM MIA PHL PHX SEA SJU.

P/T MOSTLY SAME CITIES WITH THE INCLUSION OF BWI DEN FLL IAD IAH IND SAT SEA SFO SNA.

April schedule calls for 13 flights a day all s-80 with 3 overnights.

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

The way I've seen the new model plotted out on paper, one crew (either six or seven including the crew chief) works a gate pair. Gate utilization is set so that there's only one flight on the gate pair at a time.

Ahhh yes paper...where the skies are always clear and blue, there are no delays or other issues, everyone comes to work and no one calls in sick or goes on vacation.

 

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RIF was just completed here in Phoenix are original headcount was 24 F/T & 36 P/T. We now have 40 F/T & 10 P/T
11 of the P/T had recall rights back to F/T with the remaining P/T blended in seniority order according to article 12 attachment A. We where able to save alot of our own people based on this attachment, seeing has there where quite alot of twa people on the recall list. Are junior person in the station has 10/89 seniority.

The following cities where listed on my RIF.
F/T MCIE STL ATL BOS DAL DFW JFK LAX MEM MIA PHL PHX SEA SJU.

P/T MOSTLY SAME CITIES WITH THE INCLUSION OF BWI DEN FLL IAD IAH IND SAT SEA SFO SNA.

April schedule calls for 13 flights a day all s-80 with 3 overnights.

Thank you for the info. I will relay this info to my friend. It's sad when he says the chairman at LAS doesn't know what the RIF looks like at PHX. All the chairman had to do was make a call.

Can you explain the Article 12 attachment A? There are a dozen former TWA employees there at LAS. About half have FT recall. Also, is PHX a 25% station or 4/10/01? Currently at LAS it is a 4/10/01 station, but if I recall, once all AA (not former TWA) FT and PT employees are recalled back to LAS, TWA will get their 25% seniority and recall rights to FT. Seeing how many were laid off in PHX, a similiar RIF (more FT less PT scenario) may happen In LAS.

If that is the case then they will get their 25% seniority and be slotted accordingly. Many of them will jump up significantly like 20-30 slots. If a RIF happens at the same time, AA hired FSC will get laid off angering alot of them. The AA FSC's hope that the former TWA employees get laid off first before they get their 25%.

BTW, which city/station are you headed? FT or PT? I wonder why LAS isn't on that city list? Hmmmm..... :unsure:

 

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original headcount was 24 F/T & 36 P/T. We now have 40 F/T & 10 P/T

Gee, sounds exactly like what I was saying -- PT goes down about 60%, and FT goes up by about 40%. Net hours could go up or down slightly depending on how long PT shifts are:

@ 8 hour shifts 128 added FT man hours/day

@ 4 hour shifts 108 manhours reduced (20 manhour net addition)
@ 6 hour shifts 156 manhours reduced (72 manhour net reduction

 

[manuutd]

Can you explain the Article 12 attachment A?

Article 12 Attachment A is a rather long confusing to read letter in the contract.(like anything is easy to understand in our contract.) But here is a link to it in PDF format the letter is on page 46Local 510 twuatd contract

We had no former TWA employees on the premises. They do retain recall rights back here, but whenever there is a system surplus the f/t vacancy(s) will be filled by the most senior qualified employee(s) requesting to fill such a vacancy. Either f/t or p/t provided they are senior to the most senior employee holding recall rights to that full time classification. Are twa people had a seniority date of 4/10/01.

Basicly what went down here in Phoenix is we where able to recall all 11 of our people that bumped to p/t plus upgrade 5 people of the p/t list. Effectively keeping out the twa people.

It's all very confusing how the union & company complete this process. All I can recommend is to read the contract
and make sure that all the p/t time employees who want f/t have an active 12(lx) transfer on file when the RIF is being done.

This is a one shot deal at getting has many of your own people upgraded without bring in twa, provided they are senior to that twa employee holding recall. Once the RIF is over the opening will be filled by a person holding recall rights.

Phoenix is a very senior station are last P/T has 89 seniority, so even if a twa employee was to get 25% they would all still be at bottom of the seniority list here. We also have twa people on the recall list to F/T that have never worked 1-day with AA.

BTW, which city/station are you headed? FT or PT? I wonder why LAS isn't on that city list? Hmmmm.....

I'm staying in Phoenix. (for now)

LAS was not on the list because there where no openings when the RIF was started.

Hope this helps, we where very fortunate here that are station manager & union chairman fought to save has many jobs has they could it was a long 2 month process. We are still thinly manned, 3-man line crews back to back trips it's going to be a long hot summer.

 

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You say LAS was not on your sheet because there were no openings? How can that be? LAS has unprotected and junior employees. Couldn't anyone senior bump into LAS?

It is good to hear that YOUR chairman tried to save as many jobs. Hopefully, the chairman at LAS will do the same.

 

[manuutd]

You say LAS was not on your sheet because there were no openings? How can that be? LAS has unprotected and junior employees. Couldn't anyone senior bump into LAS?

It is good to hear that YOUR chairman tried to save as many jobs. Hopefully, the chairman at LAS will do the same.

It goes by the least SYSTEM seniority, thats why cities like MSY FLL MIA JFK end up on the list. If 100 are being effected by the RIF they take the bottom 100 people and those locations plus add in cities with vacancies. If I remember correctly LAS was on the last RIF a year ago.

Its going to be a dogfight these (anal-yst) in DFW wanted to know how long it took to drive to the bagroom, air-freight Etc. What's this guy doing for 5mins. Good Luck

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

ADDRESSED to ALL my fellow posters, on this thread !!

I promise to explain "THIS" in "Infinite detail', so NO ONE can say that they did'nt understand, or did'nt know about it.

READY ???.................OK, here goes;

The (driving) force behind this (checkerboard) Experiment is AMERICAN AIRLINES !!
The SAME AA, that has you working for 16.5% LESS $$$ per hour !

The SAME AA that has you working on MEMORIAL DAY, for straight time PAY. (What ever happened to honoring those military people, who MADE the ULTIMATE sacrifice.)(Last time I checked 99% of America celebrates MEMORIAL DAY, as a "HOLIDAY")

This "checkerboard" CRAP is SUPPORTED by the CRIMINAL TWU, your union who is so far in BED with AA, that it IS CRIMINAL !!!!!!!!!

Now, whats "going Down" is that AA wants the SAME amount of work done, WITH LESS PEOPLE, and ZERO OVERTIME !!

So NOW comes the question part of this Exercise.

ARE YOU(all) going to RUN from gate to gate ??
Are you going to drive inbound bags at a high rate of speed ?

Are you going to Lift HEAVY bags "alone",while dumping the bags, using improper lifting techniques ?

Will you operate tugs and jetveyors that you KNOW are not functioning PROPERLY ?? (PUT AN OUT OF SERVICE TAG, ON THE PIECE OF JUNK) !!!

ARE you going to drive outbound bags, to the A/C at a high rate of speed//

Are you going to "shotgun load" bags(putting MORE than 4 bags on the jetveyor at a time, while KILLING the poor BASTARD, who most likely is ALONE in the belly, ALL in the name of having an ON TIME DEPARTURE ????

YOU(all), AND ONLY YOU(all) can decide to make good safe choices, or work in a way that IF you have an accident, you supervisor will inform you, that YOU are working UNSAFELY, and will have you on a FIRST STEP ADVISORY, before you "know what hit you"


THINK PEOPLE, THINK AND WORK S A F E L Y !!

Good luck, your going to NEED it !!
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16.5% LESS pay
NO shift differential
NO longivity pay,
NO double,or Double time and 1/2 premium pay !!


"The job you SAVE, may be your OWN"


NH/BB's

For those of you "getting checkerboarded", if you have the seniority, get into the outbound bag room, even if it very short handed. Remember, you always will have the Emergency stop buttom to PUSH, if the "$hit hits the fan". WHICH IT WILL

NH/BB's

A FAVORITE TRICK of local management, is to staff the "BR" with all PTers

 

[AMFAMAN]

This "checkerboard" CRAP is SUPPORTED by the CRIMINAL TWU, your union who is so far in BED with AA, that it IS CRIMINAL !!!!!!!!!

Criminal is not far from the truth, in fact I hear that Local 501 was raided by the FBI and the DOL this week. Something about a half million missing - maybe they spent it on their management friends. :down:

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

Criminal is not far from the truth, in fact I hear that Local 501 was raided by the FBI and the DOL this week. Something about a half million missing - maybe they spent it on their management friends. :down:

Talk on the floor is that the SJU boys were playing fast and loose with the union funds.

Which has me wondering why SJU is even in this local? BDL and PHL are a stretch as it is...

The president of 501 snagged himself an executive board member gig with the international, we haven't seen him in months.