Pilot job action?!

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Dont know how you came to those conclusions from what I wrote but the answer is NO. I do not condone management harassing guys who see and report what they see, thats our job, merely reporting the cultural shift in the workplace. Hence the statement "Years ago he would get an "Attaboy", or a Coin or some AAcheiver points for noticing things like that, now he gets a 29F, theatened or has his CS denied."

Bob

Heres how I came by my conclusion, Your statement; The more they write up the more opportunity we have to make up for some of what we have lost and turn out a safer product.

My comments were that if maintenance did its job, NOT just sit by and comment about what the Pilots are doing or Not doing. 222 replys to this subject and 20,000 views.

Aircraft Maintenanace should be worried about the loss of members across the system, increased medical, loss of local letters of agreement, PV's, and all that union guys from the past fought for. Switching to AMFA will not help us here at AA if the attitude is to stand by and comment on what is being done. The I GOT MINE ATTITUDE needs to be shoved aside as well as the TWU. Every one needs to be involved if change is going to happen. Sitting on the side lines while others fight the battles and then commenting on how they are doing, and how it effects us.

 

[Mach85ER]

There is no pilot job action.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

There is no pilot job action.

I agree what ever we assume is happening its for the pilots to address NOT A/C maint.

Our main objective is to get rid of the twu.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob

Heres how I came by my conclusion, Your statement; The more they write up the more opportunity we have to make up for some of what we have lost and turn out a safer product.

My comments were that if maintenance did its job, NOT just sit by and comment about what the Pilots are doing or Not doing. 222 replys to this subject and 20,000 views.

Aircraft Maintenanace should be worried about the loss of members across the system, increased medical, loss of local letters of agreement, PV's, and all that union guys from the past fought for. Switching to AMFA will not help us here at AA if the attitude is to stand by and comment on what is being done. The I GOT MINE ATTITUDE needs to be shoved aside as well as the TWU. Every one needs to be involved if change is going to happen. Sitting on the side lines while others fight the battles and then commenting on how they are doing, and how it effects us.

Still dont get it.

I guess in MIA they dont bring guys in for a 29F if they find something like a lightning strike or delamiantion etc. They do at JFK. That was the point.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Still dont get it.

I guess in MIA they dont bring guys in for a 29F if they find something like a lightning strike or delamiantion etc. They do at JFK. That was the point.

Bob

I guess then you need to show the mgmt team at jfk the mm and the gpm during the 29f.

But getting the pilots to write up items instead of maintenance doing it so we don't loose our cs or get a 29f so AA can have its safe product. Thats not the way it is supposed to be, that is OUR job to inspect the aircraft document what we find. AA and its maint program decide if a/c is safe to fly or not.

Now do you get it?

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob

I guess then you need to show the mgmt team at jfk the mm and the gpm during the 29f.

But getting the pilots to write up items instead of maintenance doing it so we don't loose our cs or get a 29f so AA can have its safe product. Thats not the way it is supposed to be, that is OUR job to inspect the aircraft document what we find. AA and its maint program decide if a/c is safe to fly or not.

Now do you get it?

I get what you are saying, but during the day mechanics are not assigned to inspect every aircraft that comes to the gate, the pilots do. The more they find, the more OT we get.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

I get what you are saying, but during the day mechanics are not assigned to inspect every aircraft that comes to the gate, the pilots do. The more they find, the more OT we get.

Bob to a certain extent your correct, if aircraft is at gate the flight crew looks at it during thier pre flight.
But if you read the GPM if aircraft is being towed by a goldhoffer the driver and the brake rider are supposed to accomplish the towing check list and the driver is supposed to perform a walk around on the aircraft before the tow crew moves the aircraft.

O/T is a mgmt function which determins if the staffing is correct to handle the workload. Not by how many items the flight crews find.

 

[Bloodhound]

There is no pilot job action.

According to APA President Keith Wilson, it's now a maintenance action. To quote Mr. Wilson in today, Sunday Sept. 30th's issue of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram: "We know for a fact that pilots have shown up at airplanes with maintenance write-ups, put in by maintenance, but yet the crew gets the delay because they have to report it and say 'We can't go yet because we have a maintenance issue' "

It's hard to believe, after all the support the pilot group have gotten from maintenance, that they are now attempting to shift blame and throw the mechanics under the bus. Your leadership was wise and has denied having conducted anything illegal. HOWEVER, to deny it and then blame another workgroup is ridiculous.

 

[1AA]

I invite all the maintenance write ups the flight crews find. It is a check and balances. What we miss they do not. What they miss we do not. What we miss the Inspectors do not. If an item needs to be addressed then it will accordingly by the guidelines the company and the FAA have established. Is this not how we dispatch an airworthy safe aircraft? So what is the problem? Enjoy the convenience of having us around because come December there will be less of us. Aircraft Maintenance will be more than happy to assist in providing a safe and airworthy aircraft. THAT IS OUR JOB!

 

[amtide]

According to APA President Keith Wilson, it's now a maintenance action. To quote Mr. Wilson in today, Sunday Sept. 30th's issue of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram: "We know for a fact that pilots have shown up at airplanes with maintenance write-ups, put in by maintenance, but yet the crew gets the delay because they have to report it and say 'We can't go yet because we have a maintenance issue' "

It's hard to believe, after all the support the pilot group have gotten from maintenance, that they are now attempting to shift blame and throw the mechanics under the bus. Your leadership was wise and has denied having conducted anything illegal. HOWEVER, to deny it and then blame another workgroup is ridiculous.

Totally agree. I have no problem with what ever the pilots are doing but shift the blame to the mechanics is unfair after our support. All pilot write ups are treated seriously and necessary actions taken, we do not play with safety.

No maintenance program is perfect and need to be adjusted frequently, there is people looking at this everyday. That is why there are so many revisions.

Airplanes have many computers, sometimes there are nuisance messages. If you check the system as per the manufacturer manual and work fine. There is no previous history what you are going to change? You talk to tech service and let them know so they keep an eye on the aircraft. Sometimes that is all you can do at the time.

Pilots all I can say is that we take our work seriously.

 

[Mach85ER]

Pilots all I can say is that we take our work seriously.

I can assure you that you guys have a better reputation for quality and trust than anyone at AA.

Seriously, your post made me think that I need to grab a few Yard House gift certificates for appreciation for the Holidays.

 

[Super FLUF]

It's hard to believe, after all the support the pilot group have gotten from maintenance, that they are now attempting to shift blame and throw the mechanics under the bus. Your leadership was wise and has denied having conducted anything illegal. HOWEVER, to deny it and then blame another workgroup is ridiculous.

You are reading something into this that isn't there. Keith is addressing the issue of improperly coded crew delays. Specifically, the company is coding EVERYTHING as a crew delay, no matter what the actual delay was. Apparently, this is part of their bogus attempt to "build a case" against us for supposedly delaying flights.

This particular comment was not properly put in context or just worded poorly. I haven't seen or heard a single complaint about the mechanics. Quite the contrary - there has been A LOT of concern about the sham TWU vote and what the new outsourced maintenance will mean for us. We now know.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

Long laundry list on 9/12
Bunch other stuff on 10/1
Rest on 11/1 only because they can't reprogram sabre fast enough.

3 day trip might be worth 6 hours (vs 15) and they can't figure out why there has been a negative reaction.

Were these outside the scope of the LBFO?