Pilot seniority arbitration award is out

[Phoenix]

Ok It isn't a hoax. It is now up on USairways pilot cite.

 

[autofixer]

It is no hoax...I just read this piece of crap award!

 

[dusty]

Ok It isn't a hoax. It is now up on USairways pilot cite.

This is a very bad dream. Please wake me up! Watch the sick call on the east sky rocket.

 

[autofixer]

ALPA is a bigger pile of crap than LCC.

I can tell you here and now, I don't want to talk or associate with any West pilots hench forth.

 

[aquagreen73s]

This is a very bad dream. Please wake me up! Watch the sick call on the east sky rocket.

Frankly, I'm surprised that the age argument didn't by itself carry the day. Nicolau seemed very sensitive to the ages of the Trump/Eastern pilots. I don't know anything about what the East presented to Nicolau, but looking back I wonder if the emphasis on straight DOH served to eclipse the age argument, which weighed strongly in East's favor. Doesn't matter now, though. It's going to be a long, hot summer for Rio Salado.

 

[autofixer]

Its going to be a long hot next 10 years!!!

 

[N924PS]

ALPA is a bigger pile of crap than LCC.

I can tell you here and now, I don't want to talk or associate with any West pilots hench forth.

It is a bitter pill. But the West pilots did't create the merged list. The Arbitrator, assisted by two ALPA Pilot Neutrals rendered this award.

It's done. It's not fair. Close ranks and get a Joint Contract you can be proud of and live with for its duration.

 

[Phoenix]

This is a very bad dream. Please wake me up! Watch the sick call on the east sky rocket.

It will have a significant impact on USAir in the short run. It will have a significant impact in the long run too. There are 1500 furloughs who are now more than ever inclined to decline recall. With age 65, cabatoge, USAir ALPA history, and now 2005 hires at AWA being placed ahead of 1988 hires at USAir...

Hiring off the street is soon to come.

 

[Mtnman928]

It will have a significant impact on USAir in the short run. It will have a significant impact in the long run too. There are 1500 furloughs who are now more than ever inclined to decline recall. With age 65, cabatoge, USAir ALPA history, and now 2005 hires at AWA being placed ahead of 1988 hires at USAir...

Hiring off the street is soon to come.

You might even see some of the very bottom guys leave rather that be permanent reserve for their careers.

Mtnman

 

[Crzipilot]

Nope, it's not rumor, it's a fact, all furloughed stapled behind Odell. I believe from Collello on down, are Jr. to him. I'll attach the award if it works....

Attachement didn't work, but it's not worth looking at either, unless your out of TP

 

[TravelDude]

There are 1500 furloughs who are now more than ever inclined to decline recall.

Have yet to see a post with the results. Why do you say the 1500 furloughs are now likely to decline recall?

 

[Crzipilot]

So, no bump/no flush, does that contain to a West f/o bumping out a East Capt???

 

[bigbusdrvr]

Have yet to see a post with the results. Why do you say the 1500 furloughs are now likely to decline recall?

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They would be returning to be copilot for someone who was in elementary school when they were hired.....

Forever a copilot....not a resonable return ...

 

[Crzipilot]

Have yet to see a post with the results. Why do you say the 1500 furloughs are now likely to decline recall?

well you prob. won't see a result posted as, the file with the list is 2megs. Don't think it can be attached here. But basically all 1500 furloughees were stapled at the bottom of Odell, who was hired in 2005 I believe, or 2004, something like that.....Of the actives there are guys that have 16+ years, slotted in with someone with 3 years or less...

Here's a synopsis of the award.....kinda hard to follow but you get the idea...


Re: US Airways-America West Seniority Integration Award

As we discussed in our conference call this afternoon, I have enclosed the Award I received today from George Nicolau. The combined list is composed of a series of ratios, based on the number of positions each pilot group had in various categories as of
1/1/07. The combined list is built from the separate 1/1/07 seniority lists.

All US pilots on furlough as of 5/19/05 are junior to Dave Odell. Monda is immediately senior to Odell. Dean Colello is immediately junior to Odell and is followed by the 1,750 US pilots whose names appear below him on the 1/1/07 US seniority list.
The top 517 names are all US Airways pilots. This group includes 423 active pilots plus 94 non-flying pilots (MGT, MED and LOA). The number 423 is derived from the sum of the A330 and B767-I Captain and First Officer positions. The senior America West pilot, Capt. McNerlin, appears on the combined list immediately senior to US pilot
D.S. Lesh, DOH: 4/22/81.
The next group comprises the next most senior 167 US pilots and the top 90 AW pilots who were flying on 1/1/07. These positions correspond to the B757 Captain jobs as of 1/1/07. Forty-eight pilots in non-flying status (MGT, MED and LOA) are reinserted into this group, as with the top group.
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The next category corresponds to A320 and B737 Captains and consists of 873 US and 767 AW active pilots, plus 255 extracted and reinserted non-flying pilots. Following these pilots, there are 176 US and 87 AW active pilots, corresponding to the B757 First Officers, plus 56 extracted and reinserted non-fliers. The remaining pilots through Monda and Odell were ratioed 840 to 718, based on the number of A320 and B737 First Officers at the respective carriers on 1/1/07, with 224 non-fliers reinserted after the application of the ratios to those who were active on 1/1/07.
The Award includes some Conditions and Restrictions. In addition to the standard no-bump/no-flush provision and other stipulated Conditions and Restrictions, Arbitrator Nicolau imposed two others of his own devising. The first is designed to protect the access of the US pilots to the wide body, international flying they brought to
the merged carrier. It reserves 161 Captain and 262 First Officer positions on the A330 and B767 “for the top tier pre-merger US Airways pilots for a period of four years from the date of this Award.†The condition “ceases to exist,†however, if the Age 60 rule is changed to an Age 65 rule prior to May 1, 2011. Another condition deals with “new†and replacement†aircraft and gives the “replacement†positions on wide body, international
aircraft to the US pilots (up to the specified quotas) and allocates “new†jobs 2:1 on wide bodies and 1:1 on narrow-bodies. The Award also continues the Conditions and Restrictions of the Kagel Award (including those from the Piedmont-Empire seniority
integration), as well as the Eischen Award, which allocates EMB-190 positions. Jim Brucia wrote a concurring and dissenting opinion, which accompanies Arbitrator Nicolau’s Opinion and Award. Captain Brucia disagreed with the placement of the US Airways pilots who were on furlough at the date of the announcement of the merger. He said that most have been offered recall because of the enormous attrition at US and that their extensive service prior to being furloughed justifies placing them higher on the merged list.
A couple of points occur to me that may be worth mentioning. I’m sure these observations won’t soften the devastating blow of losing the hard-fought battle with respect to the pilots on furlough on the date of the announcement of the merger. But they should be said now anyhow.
First, the top 517 pilots on the US list constitute a substantial number – 18% of the pilots on the US list through Monda as of 1/1/07. The number is smaller than the number who would occupy the top of the list on a date-of-hire list, as we proposed, but the career choices available to these pilots will prove significant to them. Their
placement at the top of the list also improves the standing of those junior to them.
Secondly, the Arbitration Board’s use of 1/1/07 lists has allowed the junior US pilots to benefit for seniority integration purposes from the attrition that occurred between 5/19/05 and 1/1/07 – more than 300 “attrits.†In addition, although the other side argued
that the Age 60 Rule was gone, the Board constructed the merged list on the assumption that it would remain in effect. Also, the AW representatives argued for assumptions that America West would have grown absent the merger and that US Airways would have contracted further, but the Board rejected those arguments in favor of a static fleet assumption. We could have done worse. The other side asked the Panel to put Monda and more than 750 other active US pilots junior to Odell. They lost on that issue.
The Conditions and Restrictions may provide some protection. For example, condition number 5 covers the positions on “new†aircraft, such as a B777 flying to China, which are to be allocated 2:1 in favor of the US pilots.

 

[BluePacific]

well you prob. won't see a result posted as, the file with the list is 2megs. Don't think it can be attached here. But basically all 1500 furloughees were stapled at the bottom of Odell, who was hired in 2005 I believe, or 2004, something like that.....Of the actives there are guys that have 16+ years, slotted in with someone with 3 years or less...

22 years screwed away, someone hired in 2000 is now equal to someone hired in 1986. I'm too old to start over so I'll stay but I won't lift a finger to help anyone. Any hope I had is gone. I'm just serving my time.