Pilot seniority arbitration award is out

[Crzipilot]

what about the furloughed pilots who went to fly "MidAtlantic Airlines" which was still under USAirways certificate? What happens to them? Are they considered part of the furloughees who are under the 2005 West new hires?

Yes they are under the 2005 west new hires. Basically every furloughee from Dean C. on down, in their US seniority order are below the last guy on the AWA list.

MDA people didn't not garner anything from their time at MDA (so it seems) except the CEL guys that flowed over are at the bottom of the complete list.

 

[autofixer]

Can you say fights in the cockpit? Fights in the hotel van? LCC is in fact dead...at least I hope this piece of crap airline is put out of its misery. This award IS THE WORST CASE SCENERIO in the pilot world.

 

[a320av8r]

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[autofixer]

IT is now in the intrest of the EAST MEC to not negotiate and to keep the airlines seperate. The abitrator handed Doug a present on a silver platter.

 

[ManDachine]

Wow, I have felt less pain getting my prostate checked! I can see it now....Captain that was a great landing and sir, don't forget to pop those zits tonight.

 

[hulagirl]

It is a bitter pill. But the West pilots did't create the merged list. The Arbitrator, assisted by two ALPA Pilot Neutrals rendered this award.

It's done. It's not fair. Close ranks and get a Joint Contract you can be proud of and live with for its duration.

The voice of sanity speaks...good post, good points to take in...

 

[Crzipilot]

Ya, that is an interesting possibility. Never come to agreement on a combined contract and West is fenced of from the East and vice versa....so the seniority arbitration is never instituted. Would be one hell of a whipsaw available to management though...

 

[a320av8r]

It is a bitter pill. But the West pilots did't create the merged list. The Arbitrator, assisted by two ALPA Pilot Neutrals rendered this award.

It's done. It's not fair. Close ranks and get a Joint Contract you can be proud of and live with for its duration.

What is the advantage to ME in a joint contract? I only see an advantage in operating seperately. Doug got his wish.

 

[ab320driver]

Keep them separate. Pull out of the joint contract negotiations now!

 

[Pi brat]

IT is now in the intrest of the EAST MEC to not negotiate and to keep the airlines seperate. The abitrator handed Doug a present on a silver platter.

No, he handed Doug a turd on a silver platter. If Doug wants a combined contract the price just went way up, because there is no way the bottom half of the list will ratify a T/A unless it's really great.

 

[TBONEJ4J]

Save Dave? Are you kidding me?

This award is unbelieveable. 16 years of service goes behind 2 months of service?

Somebody needs to save Dean! :angry:

It seems Dave has not only been saved he's gotten a windfall gain. :down:

 

[Pi brat]

It is a bitter pill. But the West pilots did't create the merged list. The Arbitrator, assisted by two ALPA Pilot Neutrals rendered this award.

It's done. It's not fair. Close ranks and get a Joint Contract you can be proud of and live with for its duration.

I don't blame this on the West pilots, they just put their best case forward to deal with a flawed ALPA merger policy, and I won't treat them any differently now than I did before. I have a question for you though, PS. Are you by chance a formermPSA pilot in the top 400 that wants to bid PHX? A lot easier for you to swallow than it is for me and the bottom 2/3 of the U list. I couldn't care less about a joint contract. I've been holding off on bidding capt. again, but I'll do it now and get my raise.

 

[Phoenix]

What vested retirement ( thought that was gone ) :down:

That doesn't matter.

There are at least 56% of pilots who have a nasty habit of voting "Yes". Their eternal optomism can't be cured by mere logic. :huh:

 

[Groucho]

That doesn't matter.

There are at least 56% of pilots who have a nasty habit of voting "Yes". Their eternal optomism can't be cured by mere logic. :huh:

Well I predict much more turbulence ahead, especially when you consider what Dougie is working on. This list will be the starting point of the next arbitration with some other carrier and the East pilots simply not go for it. The only way I can upgrade is to vote no on any combined contract and that stops the integration.

There will be seperate contracts and seperate seniority lists fot the foreseeable future. I believe that the East pilots will dig in further on this when they consider that they could loose more in another seniority pairing with any other carrier.

The problem is with an average age of 53years the East pilots cannot afford to lose any more. It hurts to lose seniority but we cannot make it up with any manditory retirement.

LOA 93 will be the rule of law for quite a long time to come.

 

[767jetz]

No, this is what happens when a arbitrator asks you to be reasonable and you thumb your nose at him. The East Merger Committee had a gun to it's head and was not allowed to act independently as it is supposed to. The PHL reps even tried to recall one of the members several months ago just before hearings were to start. Message: "do what we want or you're toast".

This is the product of a dysfunctional union with a dysfunctional MEC running it.

This whole integration was supposed to be about preserving career expectations. What it did was give advantage to one group over the other, career expectations be damned. The arbitrator said as much in his award.
A320 Driver B)

My thoughts exactly. Back in 2000/2001 there was a faction of US guys screaming DOH and preaching to UAL guys how that's the way it always goes. These same pilots (and I don't think it was a majority, only a very vocal minority including the notorious USA320pilot) have no idea what it means to be reasonable. It is their way or the highway at any cost. If what you say is true about the PHL reps, then the blame, if any rests on their shoulders. In arbitration, if you shoot for the moon and thumb your nose at the arbitrator, he WILL spank you. HARD.

This arbitration will set the stage for future mergers, and IMO it will finally put to rest the notion that DOH is ever a real option when merging pilot groups.