Pilot seniority arbitration award is out

[JAMAKE1]

You can bet that that someone as sleezy as Jerry Glass is sleeping comfortably tonight on his Karl Rove/Machiavelli(*) adorned pillow cases - a gift from DoUgIe from his trip to the Underworld Happy Hour. People like Jerry Glass masturbate to our in-fighting and hide their cumrags under their pile of Ann Coulter/Bill O'Reilly/Sean Hannity magazines (I'll never call them books!) knowing their momma has grown to old to pry.

😀 That is rich!

 

[lgwcalling]

😀 That is rich!

JAMAKE1,

Thanks 4 quoting me be4 I got censored!

lgwcalling

 

[Bud8EE]

Cactus Flyer:

Your response to luvn737s was totally appropriate . The AFA bylaws are written for and apply to every carrier under its umbrella and therefore, there was nothing uncompromising on the part of the East F/A's when it came to seniority integration. I think that historically, DOH has been the most equitable solution for seniority integration, and a method I continue to advocate today (and I was with PSA during the PS/US and PI/US mergers). It is indeed, refreshing from my vantage point, to read a posting where someone like yourself can accept things as they are and move forward.

I am not going to pretend that I know the least bit about pilot seniority integration, but from the seat of passive observer, I would imagine that there is little recourse since the joint negotiating committee agreed to binding arbitration. I suppose that is the big gamble one makes, when both parties agree to binding arbitration. While I empathize with my former colleagues on the East side, throwing temper tantrums, having sick-outs, and causing work slow-downs will be more self-destructive to themselves than having to live with any of the findings of an independent arbitrator.

The rest of us that work at other airlines better hope they have recourse. ALPA just created 3000 strike breakers with that abomination. Unlike CAL or Eastern scabs who many were ashamed, these guys would probably scab with pride. It doesn't take a genius to understand human nature or disunity but I can sure bet you Jerry Glass and Ford & Harrison do. If you think, US/AWA will ever get anything but a low ball contract, and that won't effect the rest of us around the industry, you are fooling yourself. What leverage do they have? Strike, yeah right. How many 25-30 year FO's officers on the list would honor it, or ALPA. Most of them probably wouldn't use their ALPA card to wipe their a$$ at this point. At CAL it only took 300 initially to keep the airline running, long enough for training new hires and more to come back 30 days later when bills became do. This was a sad day for the profession.

 

[BottomFeeder]

Man, you're one serious peice of work. You really think we all dancing around a bon fire over here don't ya. How many times do I have to say it, we did NOT want this merger to begin with. But since it was forced down our throats, I should't have to pay with my career for what old management did to you guys in the first place.

Enjoy you're non-revin.

Here is a hint for you. Most of the East guys are close to retirement. So in a few years when the 3 Billion in cash runs out. The Game is over and most are retired or a fews years to go. Collect the PBGC till SS. Go get a Wallyworld job for medical bennies till medicare. The bottom line is most can ride out the storm that's comming. They stand to make out OK.

Most of them are ready to shut it down or burn it down.

How will you make out when it goes CHP 11 or 7.

 

[luvn737s]

With all due respect, the east F/A's didn't need to or have to seek a "fair compromise".

Add to that "want to" as well. When things go the east's way they remain smugly on their high horse. When (if)they go in favor of someone else, it's a travesty and time to shut down the airline. While DOH might have been the simplest solution in the AFA case, it was far from fair. Both sides should have gone beyond what they were entitled to do and chosen to do what they know they should have done.

Now a fair solution has been reached with the pilots. It rejected one sides unreasonable demands and found a middle ground. However, those who sought a soft target of retribution have been disappointed, but most reasonable people, I think, see past all the smoke and realize that the arbitrator did the right thing. Shafting the AWA pilot group might have felt good in the short term, but like the AFA, they would have had to live with themselves for a very long time.

 

[Phoenix]

The rest of us that work at other airlines better hope they have recourse. ALPA just created 3000 strike breakers with that abomination. ...

Not 3000. The list is 4500. But who is counting? 😀

 

[Dorf]

Now a fair solution has been reached with the pilots.

So, you're saying the pilot who was hired at U in 1988 and was never furloughed, who is now only one number senior to "Save Dave"(hired in 2005, the month of the merger announcement), was treated "fairly"? Yea, right!

 

[autofixer]

I went, in one day, from a hard core union guy, to a guy who will scab AWA in a second (with pride). They asked for my seniortiy and a senial old man gave it to them. I hope they go to section 6 negotions and see how that works out. I'll be the guy at the front of the line marching through your picket line.

 

[Phoenix]

The Transition Agreement (TA) has a minimum fleet size and specifically excludes counting the 190. This agreement also prohibits any transfer of aircraft between the two companies before operational integration (defined by agreeing to a single contract). Since they are going to use the East certificate, any new aircraft not mentioned in the TA, will be flown on the East by East pilots as governed by our CBA. Of course the West will get a certain number of those positions due to the TA, but cannot take them until a single contract is agreed to...

Think about it.

 

[exB717Flyer]

OK while not knowing all of the particulars of the situation I can't help but ponder what the "Real Deal" is here??

That's right, all you conspiricy buffs, the Company conspired with the National Mediation Board and the obviously corrupt Nicolau to foment labor unrest. Afterall, there can't possibly be any other reason for him to come to the conclusions he did. Write your elected officials now! Oops, they're probably in on the conspiricy as well.

George Nicolau
240 E 39th St., Suite 34G
New York, NY 10016
Phone: (212) 777-5032
Fax: (212) 777-7397
email: gnicolau@aol.com

George Nicolau, an Impartial Member of the Board since 1987, is the Past President of the National Academy of Arbitrators and the Society of Professionals in Dispute Resolution, now the Association for Conflict Resolution, and serves as the Vice Chair of the United States Branch of the International Society for Labor and Social Security Law. Perhaps best know for his nine-year service as Impartial Chairman in Major League Baseball, he served a similar role in basketball, hockey and soccer, and now serves as System Board Chair for a number of airlines and their pilots, flight attendants and ground personnel, and is the Industry Chair for the League of Voluntary Hospitals and 1199, SEIU.

more: http://www.nmb.gov/arbitrator-resumes/nico...orge-gn_res.pdf

 

[phasersonstun2]

As it stands, the ruling was both brutal and puzzling. After reading the opinion from Nicolau, it is clear that the west presented a better argument on certain points that won favor with the panel.

Sticking to the DOH was a do or die strategy, that was never realistic since we were in ARBITRATION, which by the very name, suggests a compromise. The east pilots were warned by the east NC that DOH would NOT happen.

 

[autofixer]

I believe the East's position was also trying to preserve OUR attrition. The arbitrator not only did not look at our age on the East (Like he has in past decisions), he did not care that the majority of the attrition would be in the East. It is an all around corrupt decision and I bet Glass & Otis had a hand in this somehow. It is in Otis and the boys intrests for this airline to operate seperatly, which it now will indefinitely, or at least, until it implodes.

 

[ussnark]

You can bet that that someone as sleezy as Jerry Glass is sleeping comfortably tonight on his Karl Rove/Machiavelli(*) adorned pillow cases - a gift from DoUgIe from his trip to the Underworld Happy Hour. People like Jerry Glass masturbate to our in-fighting and hide their cumrags under their pile of Ann Coulter/Bill O'Reilly/Sean Hannity magazines (I'll never call them books!) knowing their momma has grown to old to pry.

Awesome! Suitable for framing! Right up there with the rarely work-safe, The Rude Pundit, http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/ .

 

[luvn737s]

So, you're saying the pilot who was hired at U in 1988 and was never furloughed, who is now only one number senior to "Save Dave"(hired in 2005, the month of the merger announcement), was treated "fairly"? Yea, right!

They were both at the bottom of their respective airlines list of flying pilots and the U guy is now slightly above that. Why he was at the bottom of his airlines list is another matter.

When the last contract was ratified at HP, the then VP of Flight Ops threatened immediate employment termination to anyone involved in a public confrontation over it. I would bet that policy remains in effect.

 

[ab320driver]

ALL EAST PILOTS THE TIME IS NOW...
WWW.TEAMSTER.ORG/DIVISIONS/AIRLINE/PDFS/ORGCARD.PDF
Send in the card. Time for pressure on ALPA INT'L....