pilots and flight attendants BOTH sign a merger agreement!

[700UW]

but he has 17 million posts... of course we are all supposed to bow down and worship his holiness.....


this board exists BECAUSE no one is interested in hearing a one-sided view, regardless of whose it is, even if that concept makes some people very uncomfortable.

Ok mr alias who has a negative rating, who is the so called expert on the airlines, yet your are just a keyboard warrior.

Dont you have your dl brainwashing session to attend?

And you two are typical you cant debate with the facts so you make it about the poster.

 

[WorldTraveler]

well if that is not the pot calling the kettle black.

If the dual identity is so sinister, then what is the benefit I am gaining from it - and if it is so wrong, why haven't the board administrators canned it.
Or is it perhaps I am open about having it, it doesn't really make a whole lot of difference, and most importantly nobody else gets really worked up about it?

I have no doubt you did your job as a union leader well...

but that is not my point here.

My point is simply that any notion that labor will gain anything as a result of this merger (assuming it happens) is a very long shot.

Since you seem to have no opinion on this merger, then you should be willing to accept my opinion.

The outcome for AA/US won't change one way or another regardless of what DL does or I think.... DL will just make AA and US' life harder separately or together abecause that is what good companies do to their competitors.

I am just here to warn those who are willing to listen regarding what is coming.

 

[700UW]

The only thing labor will gain if there is a merger and its successful is hopefully job security.

Hopefully Doug will or has learned from his mistakes and do this one right.

The US/PI merger was a debacle, US thought they knew everything and implemented their policies which failed.

And I have never seen a merger go seven years without all groups merged.

So we shall all see what happens.

 

[diamondcutter]

well if that is not the pot calling the kettle black.

If the dual identity is so sinister, then what is the benefit I am gaining from it - and if it is so wrong, why haven't the board administrators canned it.
Or is it perhaps I am open about having it, it doesn't really make a whole lot of difference, and most importantly nobody else gets really worked up about it?

I have no doubt you did your job as a union leader well...

but that is not my point here.

My point is simply that any notion that labor will gain anything as a result of this merger (assuming it happens) is a very long shot.

Since you seem to have no opinion on this merger, then you should be willing to accept my opinion.

The outcome for AA/US won't change one way or another regardless of what DL does or I think.... DL will just make AA and US' life harder separately or together abecause that is what good companies do to their competitors.

I am just here to warn those who are willing to listen regarding what is coming.

You are here to warn us, really, thanks so much. Time to get off the cross Jesus needs it back.

 

[WorldTraveler]

The only thing labor will gain if there is a merger and its successful is hopefully job security.

Hopefully Doug will or has learned from his mistakes and do this one right.

The US/PI merger was a debacle, US thought they knew everything and implemented their policies which failed.

And I have never seen a merger go seven years without all groups merged.

So we shall all see what happens.

as a union leader you can only HOPE that things will be different but you really can't promise anything can you?
You really can't know w/ any degree of certainty that labor leaders will be able to craft a deal any better than what already existed, can you?

And you wonder why the percentage of NON-UNION airline employees continues to grow while unionized labor continues to endure one cutback after another.
I don't.

and the US/HP merger has gone how?

And you don't think there will be some of us who will be here to say "I told you so" when it all goes down the drain?"

 

[700UW]

Its gone great for everyone except the pilots and flight attendants.

The M&R have made gains with their first post chapter 11, raises, increase vacation, sick time, pension, work rule improvements and increase in holidays. And are currently in negotiations for the second post chapter 11 cba.

CWA has brought jobs back in-house also.

And the bottom line is US is profitable and thats the best thing employees can get.

It wont go down the drain, and the sky isnt falling chicken little, oh thats right delta is the only airline that can do anything right and the rest have no idea of whats going on right?

 

[1AA]

Parker and Lakefield probably all ready have money lined up, he wouldnt offer to buy AA without that in place.

I remember at a meeting with Rakesh Gangwal one time, he said he could go Wall Street and the banks and get money to buy any airline he wanted, its all about the risk and reward.

US lined up all the money when US and HP merged.

I just read today that Cerebus just got $2.4 Billion to buy five grocery chains.

I doubt it. He does not want to spend money on his pilots, flight attendants and mechanics. Why all of a sudden he gets money to make the merger work?
Sounds like more lies and deceit so he can get what he wants and then it is business as usual with a bigger group of people to deal with. Parker will tell you anything you want to hear. He is a salesman not an Airline person. This merger will be the biggest financial mess ever in the history of commercial aviation. No thanks. Parker needs to put his house in order first but it seems like he is more concerned about this merger instead. He is telling his own people that he cares more about AA and the merger. He is placing his own employees on the back burner. Just like the Obama care. Vote for it now and we will work out the details later. Again I say NO THANKS!

 

[700UW]

He all ready made a formal offer of $8.6 billion to AA, he has to have the money lined up all ready.

Mechanic and Related, Maintenance Training Specialist, Ramp, and Customer Service have all ready had a post chapter 11 CBA, and are all currently in Section 6 negotiations.

He has worked for AA, NW, HP and US, staring out in finance then becoming CEO at HP and US, he is an airline person and not a salesman.

US is profitable, is AA?

Horton left AA and went to work for AT&T, so is he a phone guy?

 

[1AA]

He all ready made a formal offer of $8.6 billion to AA, he has to have the money lined up all ready.

Mechanic and Related, Maintenance Training Specialist, Ramp, and Customer Service have all ready had a post chapter 11 CBA, and are all currently in Section 6 negotiations.

He has worked for AA, NW, HP and US, staring out in finance then becoming CEO at HP and US, he is an airline person and not a salesman.

US is profitable, is AA?

Horton left AA and went to work for AT&T, so is he a phone guy?

He has to have the money lined up? Your not sure he does do you?

Section 6 openers? How is that going considering Parker is talking to AA's unions and making deals while ignoring USAir's?

I never said Horton was or is an Airline guy.

USAir is showing profits on paper because they have NO pensions to manage.
USAir is showing profits on paper because they pay the pilots, flight Attendants and Mechanics less money than AA does.
How will the profits turn out in the merger if USAir employees make the same pay as AA?

If USAir is to continue making profits then Parker has to dump the frozen pensions to the PBGC like he did with USAir's. AA's frozen pensions still cost money to manage and they are underfunded. At one point they have to fund them if they plan on making payments to the employees when they retire. Something that USAir is not currently doing.
Do we at AA have to take pay cuts down to USAir's level in order to stay profitable?
USAir has a history of filing for BK when they can not achieve the cost cuts they want.
Parker will have no shame in filing for BK again under a new airline name and make his case to dump OUR frozen pensions to the PBGC. Again I say NO THANKS!

 

[robbedagain]

parker the ceo horton chairman probably keep aa pension frozen for the time being dont know if they could meet in the middle for pay etc but dont know how that would work if we merge with aa just my thoughts

 

[700UW]

There arent in just openers, they have been negotiating for a while all ready.

US Mechanics make more than AA mechanics.

The ramp, mechanic and related and maintenance training specialists all have the IAMNPF.

And AA froze its pensions, meaning they dont contribute to it anymore.

You really dont understand what is going on do you?

US has been in business since the 30s, and its filed chapter 11 twice, last time it filed was 2004, eight years ago and is profitable and AA is not.

Count TWA since its part of AA has filed bankruptcy several times then, now hasnt it?

And you really need to take the time and read what is posted and do some research and educate yourself.

 

[1AA]

There arent in just openers, they have been negotiating for a while all ready.

US Mechanics make more than AA mechanics.

The ramp, mechanic and related and maintenance training specialists all have the IAMNPF.

And AA froze its pensions, meaning they dont contribute to it anymore.

You really dont understand what is going on do you?

US has been in business since the 30s, and its filed chapter 11 twice, last time it filed was 2004, eight years ago and is profitable and AA is not.

Count TWA since its part of AA has filed bankruptcy several times then, now hasnt it?

And you really need to take the time and read what is posted and do some research and educate yourself.

I know exactly what is going on. USAir is a failure. All they do is try to merge or buy one airline after another. All it leads to is a big mess. Our pensions are frozen but are underfunded. If everyone retired at AA at 65 there is not enough money in the till. Someone has to fund it to make up the shortfall. We do not acrue anymore but what is in there is not enough to cover. But I know that if Parker gets his teeth on the pensions he will make every effort to dump them on the taxpayers. USAir mechanics make less than AA (hourly) except in overtime and holiday pay.

Negotiating for a while? How is that going? Your making money and negotiating for a while. So were we and look where it led us in 2012.

Again I say NO THANKS! You can keep your mess. We have our own to deal with.
USAir needs AA not the other way around. It is evident by Parkers action since AA filed BK. He did the same with other airlines in BK and were told to take a hike.
We will see if AA is smart enough to do the same. What you fail to see is that USAir has issues with prior mergers and if USAir is so profitable why make a merger attempt and spend millions or billions only to risk losing what profitable assets you have?
Makes no sense. Parker wants to be the largest airline and make that claim. At what risk? Carty made that claim and where did it end him? Where did it end AA?
Keep your profitable airline and move on. We have to settle our issues and move on without USAir and Parker.

 

[TWU informer]

I don't think all of this so Horton and Parker personal. I think all of this is a continuation of deregulation. No need to make it so personal!!

 

[700UW]

First of all they dont contribute to a frozen plan, thats the idea of freezing it.

A retirement plan to which no new contributions are being made. Previous contributions remain in employee accounts until distribution. A frozen plan must be maintained as long as funds remain.

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US AMTs make more than their counterparts at AA.

US is a profitable airline, AA is in chapter 11, so who is the failure?

US tried once to merge with DL while they were in chapter 11, so its one airline not "airlines"

The IAM has been in negotiations about a year, as well as the CWA.

So once again, do the research and educate yourself cause your posting wrong information.

 

[jimntx]

US is a profitable airline, AA is in chapter 11, so who is the failure?

You keep quoting that mantra, but you ignore and refuse to address the point that LCC would NOT be profitable if your pilots and f/as were paid anywhere near what pilots and f/as are paid at other airlines--not just AA, but other airlines that are ALSO profitable. But, you go ahead living in your fantasy world that LCC is the bee's knees and Parker is a genius.